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Buiding a PC for Premiere Pro - Need Guidence as Adobe Specs not adaquete

Feb 3, 2012 3:52 PM

Tags: #custom #cs4 #cs5 #hardware #pro #pc #premier

Hello,

 

I am looking to purchase acustom PC for video editing. The software that I am currently running is Adobe Premier Pro CS4, but I do want to make sure that my machine will be more than capable to upgrade to CS5 without any performance issues.

 

Hardware is definately not my specailty and from what I read on these forums, adobe's listed computer specs for it's products, especially the video editing software is not adequete to run the software smoothly.

 

In some cases I have read that a hex core CPU is recommended and in others I have heard different. I have had two vendors quote me on different systems they say will be ideal, one is a hex core system and the other is a quad, and I also have peice one system together on a "build your own pc" website. I am just looking for some advice or guidance from people who actually use the software so that I don't go spend a lot of money on a system that I will have issues with. I do have a limited budget but am willing to spend about $2,500 to get set up.

 

Below are 3 systems that I am looking into. If anybody could tell me the pros and cons of these set ups or any red flags of an inadequete system, that would be great. As well, if there are any areas where an increase in cost is not worth a minimal increase in performance, that would be great to.

 

 

Quad Core System - $2,735 CAD including Tax

 

CategoryDescriptionQTY

Processor

Intel Core i7-2600 3.4GHz TB3.8Ghz Quad-Core LGA 1155 8MB HT 95W Processor1
MainboardAsus P8Z68-V Pro/GEN3 Motherboard - ATX - LGA1155 - Z68 - 4xDDR31
Memory4 X Kingston Value RAM 4GB (1 X 4GB) - DDR3-1333MHz 4
Hard DriveOCZ Vertex 3 120GB 2.5" SATA3.0 Sandforce SF-2281 SSD State Drive ##OS/Programs1
Hard DriveWestern Digital Caviar Black 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6 Gb/s 64MB Internal2
Video CardAsus GeForce GTX580 Direct CU II Video Card - 78MHz - 1.% GB DDR51
PowerAntec Earthwatts 750W Power Supply1
SoftwareWindows 7 Pro - 64 Bit1

 

Hex Core System - $2,467.17

Intel Core i7 3930K 6 Core 12MB 3.2GHz Hyperthreading Unlocked   

ASUS P9X79 Pro ATX LGA2011 X79 DDR3 4PCI-E16 2PCI-E SATA - Motherboard

Corsair Vengeance 16GB 4X4 GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory

Crucial M4 SSD Micron C400 128GB 2.5IN Solid State Disk Flash Drive SATA3 6Gbps

Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA 6Gbps - 2 units

EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti Fermi 850MHZ 1024 MB Video Card

Corsair Enthusiast Series TX650M 650W ATX Power Supply

Windows 7 Pro - 64 Bit

Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H80 High Performance

 

Custom PC: Put together online "build your own PC" - $2,170

CPU: Intel Core i7 960 Quad Core Processor 3.2 GHZ (do I need a hex core?)

CPU Cooling: Coolermaster GeminII S524 CPU Heatsink LGA 1366

Motherboard: Asus P8Z68-V Pro GEN3 ATX LGA 1155

DDR3 Memory (RAM): Corsair Vengeance 12GB 3X4GB DDR3 - 1600 CL9-9-9-24

Video Card: AMD Radeon HD 6950 800 MHZ 2GB 5GHZ GDDR5 PCI-E

Power Supply: Seasonic S12II 620W EPS12V 20/24PIN ATX

OS: Windows 7 64 Bit

 

Storage:

2 units - Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6GBs 7200 RPM 64MB cache

1 unit - Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 7200 RPM 1TB SATA 32 MB cache

 

Any feedback on how I should peice this machine together would be greatly appreciated. Hardware is my downfall.

 

Thanks

 
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    Feb 3, 2012 4:41 PM   in reply to shnips6

    Check out the Adobe Hardware Forum (http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere/hardware_forum). You would probably get more information there.

    
     
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    Feb 3, 2012 6:19 PM   in reply to shnips6

    The third build will not work at all because the CPU and motherboard are totally incompatible with one another. An LGA 1366 CPU will not even physically fit inside an LGA 1155 socket! Moreover, even if you found a CPU that's compatible with the motherboard, you'd still be hamstrung by a GPU that is still not supported at all in Premiere Pro CS 5.5.2's GPU acceleration mode (with any AMD GPU, you're permanently stuck in the MPE software-only mode, which is often 10 to 20 times slower for timeline renders than the GPU acceleration mode).

     

    The second build is less than ideal because of its underpowered PSU. The LGA 2011 platform is a power pig (especially with a hex-core CPU), and 650W isn't enough for an LGA 2011-based video editing system with multiple disks and even an upper-mid-range Nvidia GPU, especially if overclocked at all (650W is barely adequate for that setup if neither the CPU nor the GPU is overclocked).

     

    The first system is the best balanced of the three, but I'd question the OCZ Vertex 3 SSD because it is based on a Sandforce controller that (at least in its initial shipping firmware version) suffers from the random BSOD issue just even running Windows at all. Plus, the actual real-world write speed is much slower than advertised.

     
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    Feb 3, 2012 6:33 PM   in reply to shnips6

    None of those builds are ideal. I'm not going to give you specific components, that's for you to determine for yourself. However, follow these basic guidelines, and you'll be fine...

     

    Core i7 processor, i7-920 or greater. (I use an i7-920, which is the lowest one there is, and it runs great for me).

    Workstation or Gamer grade motherboard is best, because they'll have features that budget boards won't. Obviously, make sure your board will support your chip! Try to get a board with at least 6 PCIe x16 slots for expansion, and at least 6 onboard SATA ports, 8 or more is better. Trust me, you may not need them now, but you'll want them!

    nVidia graphics card that is supported by Adobe is a must. I just bought the GTX 580 last week, but used the GTX 285 for several years with great success.

    Minimum of 12GB of memory; 16 or 24 is better.

    OS/Programs drive (people on these forums generally say an SSD isn't necessary, and it's not. However, I just got one, and once you've had one, you'll never go back!)

    Minimum of two additional drives: one for projects and data, and one for exports and scratch. If you can go with three additional drives, that's better. And if you can do multi-disk arrays for each, that's better yet.

    Minimum 750 Watt powersupply, gold or 80+ rated.

     

    Take those guidelines, put together something a little closer to what you'll need, and then ask again for specific suggestions.

     
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    Feb 4, 2012 1:25 AM   in reply to davidbeisner2010

    The others have given you good advice. You can find more information in this FAQ entry:

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/878520

     
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    Feb 4, 2012 2:39 AM   in reply to shnips6

    And an update that is not yet in the FAQ section: Adobe Forums: What PC to build? An update...

     
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    Feb 4, 2012 7:23 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    If you would like to pick out the performance level that you would like to achieve from 697 different configurations (today's total)  look at our Premiere Pro Bench Mark (PPBM5) web site and supplement that with the above suggestions. Because there is a difference in the scores between running CS5 or CS5.5 I suggest you first select the Versions tab and filter the results by picking  one or the other version to look at.

     

    Or, a simpler solution is to have a well designed and tuned system custom built for you by ADK who are world renown specialists in building Premiere Pro editing systems.

     
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    Feb 4, 2012 9:32 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    Actually, Harm, I have already included a link to that updated article in the FAQ entry. Thanks for the updated material. I left the link to the old one, too, because much of the conversation in it is valuable.

     
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    Feb 4, 2012 9:41 AM   in reply to Todd_Kopriva

    Thanks Todd, but it does not show up yet:

     

    4-2-2012 18-40-29.jpg

     
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    Feb 7, 2012 8:20 PM   in reply to shnips6

    According to http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-i7-3930K-2011-Processor/dp/B00603QXPM / that CPU is an LGA 2011 not an LGA 1366... check your CPU cooler

    
     
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    Feb 7, 2012 8:47 PM   in reply to shnips6

    Lots of messages about problems with SSD drives... search the forum for SSD

     

    I use 3 hard drives, My 3 hard drives are configured as...
    1 - 320Gig Boot for Win7 64bit Pro and all program installs

    2 - 320Gig data for Win7 swap file and video project files
    When I create a project on #2 drive, the various work files follow,
    so my boot drive is not used for the media cache folder and files

    3 - 1Terabyte data for all video files... input & output files (*)
    (*) for 4 drives, drive 3 all source files & drive 4 all output files
    .
    Search Microsoft to find out how to redirect your Windows swap file
    http://search.microsoft.com/search.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US

    

    IF you think you will ever want more ram, go with 2x8gig so you can add 2x8gig later... BUT that will require Win7 64bit Pro, not Home to use more ram

     
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    Feb 8, 2012 3:13 AM   in reply to shnips6

    shnips6,

     

    My vote would be to stick with your latest build list, exactly as is.

     

    With today's pricing, definitely go with the SSD + 2x2TB/64MB Blacks. It will run Premier very smoothly for what you are wanting to do. Regarding what you are giving up without 1 or 2 more HDs will be final project render speed, and that should not be any big deal for your 3 - 5 minute projects. If and when you want/need more drives later, you can hopefully wait until the prices for HDs has returned to pre-flood prices, or even less than that.

     

    There is a lot of good information on this forum, but one has to realize that today's big 2/3TB drives w/ 64MB buffers seem have the punch of say 2x500GB drives in RAID 0 from a few years back. The drive design and construction in order to pull off 2/3TB already includes lots of data density, lots of platters/heads, and fast electronics. Having all files on a 2x2TB RAID will work pretty darn well. You may experiment with putting "media cache DB" (not media cache) on the SSD too.

     

    Good luck, and report back with your PPBM5 scores as forum feedback when you are done.

     

    Regards,

     

    Jim

     
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    Feb 8, 2012 6:22 AM   in reply to shnips6
     
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    Feb 29, 2012 2:04 PM   in reply to shnips6

    #3

    My 320Gig data drive for Win7 swap file and video project files
    When I create a project on #2 drive, the various work files follow,
    so my boot drive is not used for the media cache folder and files

    

     

    Search Microsoft to find out how to redirect your Windows swap file
    http://search.microsoft.com/search.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US

     
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    Mar 2, 2012 8:48 AM   in reply to shnips6

    Keep in mind that if you will be upgrading to CS5.5 or the forthcoming CS6 in the near future, I strongly recommend upgrading your RAM to 32GB (in this case, getting another 4 x 4GB kit). That's because CS5.5 runs at its optimal performance level with around 2 to 3 GB of RAM per logical core. Unfortunately, your current setup has only 1.3GB of RAM per logical core because that i7-3930K has six physical cores with hyperthreading, making it a 12-logical-core CPU. And having only 16GB of RAM on that platform will degrade CS5.5 performance in a manner that's similar to what an i7-2600K does with only 8 to 12 GB of RAM installed (or an i5 system does with only 4 to 6 GB of RAM installed).

     
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    Mar 6, 2012 12:32 AM   in reply to shnips6

    Go to Control Panel > System > Advanced Tab.

     

    In the Performance section, click Settings > Advanced Tab.

     

    In the Virtual Memory section click Change.

     

    Then select C: in the list of drives and check the No Page File button.

     

    Then select the drive on which you want your page file and check Custom Size.  Enter the value that you want in the box - I have 32 GB - 32 GB, to achieve a fixed size equal to the amount of RAM in the system.

     

    It is best to do this with the new page file on an empty drive, so that it goes at the fastest part of the drive, and will not become fragmanted - the fixed size is needed for this.

     
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