I am developing a course on photography and was intending to include lessons in the use of Adobe Photoshop.
Unfortunately, I discovered that the student's cost for a license would be nearly $200.
This is unfortunate since PhotoShop is a great project; however, in view of the cost
I am now planning on usng the freeware Gimp.
I suspect that Adobe might eventually lose customers by not having a marketing
option for instructional use. Nevertheless, my students and I will probably do very
well with Gimp.
Too Bad
Peter Pershan
Harvard Univ.
Harvard Univ. and $200 is to much for the student version? Ok...but in a photo class you would prolly be better served teaching Lightroom which is $99 for the student version or even Elements which is less (price varies a lot).
P.S. you do know this is a User to User Forum right? You aren't talking to Adobe here.
The university probably already has a volume license for Photoshop for use in other classes or common computing sites.
The student pricing is for the full software that the students can keep -- not for just a semester, and not for limited functionality.
And that is significant discount off the full $700 - $1000 price for Photoshop.
Interesting that you feel a student Photoshop license is too expensive.
I'll bet they blow $200 on one night out with the girlfriend or boyfriend, on gas to drive home to see their parents, on a couple of months of cell phone plan... Out of curiosity, what does a typical printed textbook cost a student nowadays?
Does teaching them "Gimp" have much real-world use? Anyone serious about imaging is using Photoshop.
Have you considered Photoshop Elements (I see Jeff has asked this also)?
-Noel
Noel Carboni wrote:
...Does teaching them "Gimp" have much real-world use?...
What is your definition of 'real-world'? In just the past week there have been a half million downloads of GIMP from sourceforge.net (just one of the many sources for GIMP). The numbers seem to indicate that people in the real world find value in GIMP as an image editor.
A good teacher does not teach software. They teach concepts that work in any software. GIMP isn't really so different.
Last time I looked at The Gimp, admittedly a year or two ago, all I saw was a bug-ridden toy that barely worked. I'm sorry to be blunt, and maybe my information is dated, but it was worth exactly what it cost (less when you consider time I wasted futzing around with it to get it to work). Should Harvard be teaching people to use junkware?
But you make a good point - why not just teach fundamentals, and advise the students to get Photoshop, Photoshop Elements, Paintshop, IrfanView, or Gimp - whatever their budget allows. Show examples using Photoshop and assume the bright young minds would easily be able to translate to whatever else. I should hope they can do that, or the world is in for REAL trouble.
-Noel
Although there are many students for which $200 is not important, there are an equal number from less affluent homes,
who are at Harvard on scholorship, for which $200 would be very difficult.
I don't want to design a course for which the less affluent would be at a disadvantage.
My goal is to teach basic things like why RGB numbers need to be supplemented with assignment of a 'color profile', and other fundamentals.
I have been using PhotoShop for my own work and I had thought that the students could use it to explore the various
options in working with color.
Since Harvard does provide "keyed" software (i.e. software that can be used when connected to
Harvard's network) for products like Endnote, Igoi, Maple, and others; and since
free licenses are available to Mathematica and Matlab I was surprised to learn that Adobe products are not
available.
Gimp seens to be one solution; however, I am going to keep looking for others.
RawTherapee does not work on OSX10.7
I would have liked top try it.
Of course I don't want to teach color for only one product; however,
until I discovered GIMP I didn't realize that there were othe options for
dealing with digital color photographys. I tried Apple's Aperture and
found it wanting.
Now I know only of Acrobat and GIMP that will work on mac OSx10.7.
I would also like to have software for students use Windows so I thank
you for mentioning RawTherapee.
PeterPershan wrote:
RawTherapee does not work on OSX10.7...
Are we certain?
The download page for RawTherapee shows downloads for 10.6, just as Photoshop shows system requirements for 10.5/10.6. That does not necessarily mean that these programs do not work in later versions of the OS.
I also use DarkTable on Linux but it looks like you might run it on OS X as well:
The following web page says it doesn't
http://roaringapps.com/search:site/a/p/q/RAwTherapee
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Prof. Peter S. Pershan
Frank B. Baird, Jr. Professor of Science
School of Engineering and Applied Sciences Dept. of Physics
Harvard Univ.
205c Pierce Hall
Cambridge, MA 02138
Phone: 617 495 3214
FAX: 617 495 2875
That same goofy site has people saying that Photoshop can't save files in Lion.
http://roaringapps.com/app:412#post-1381
I've heard the electric light is from the devil so I won't try it. ![]()
Of course we agree; however, the issue now is to find
a cost effective software that can be used to teach the concepts.
Adobe Photoshop can be used to illustrate the concepts but at a cost
that will be a burden to students from non-affluent families.
GIMP is one possibility but if you have other suggestions they would be appreciated.
--
Prof. Peter S. Pershan
Frank B. Baird, Jr. Professor of Science
School of Engineering and Applied Sciences Dept. of Physics
Harvard Univ.
205c Pierce Hall
Cambridge, MA 02138
Phone: 617 495 3214
FAX: 617 495 2875
I downloaded RawTherapee for OSX6.7 and it failed to run on Lion.
Guess the site isn't so goofy.
--
Prof. Peter S. Pershan
Frank B. Baird, Jr. Professor of Science
School of Engineering and Applied Sciences Dept. of Physics
Harvard Univ.
205c Pierce Hall
Cambridge, MA 02138
Phone: 617 495 3214
FAX: 617 495 2875
PeterPershan wrote:
You are probably right that Elements might work, on the other hand, now that I have discovered GIMP I may just use that.
Again, if you are teaching a photo course as apposed to a digital imaging course, then I think you need to look at Lightroom. It's a photo based imaging application that is designed for photographers not graphic artists. The student version is $99 and it has a 30 day demo.
It looks like your Law School has a computer lab with Photoshop available. http://www.law.harvard.edu/about/administration/its/students/additiona l-information-pages/lab.html
Here in NY most community colleges have Photoshop available in at least some of the on campus computer labs.
Regardless, if you're going to have the students shoot RAW and you want to go open source, I'd suggest taking a look at RawTherapee. Truth has a date stamp - just because someone says it won't work on a given platform doesn't mean that is still the case even as of the latest compile.
Having said that, I just bought Photoshop and with the exception of not yet knowing how (if?) to spot white balance an image, I'm doing raw processing just about as quickly and, sad for this open source aficianado to say, getting better results out of my crappy photography skills (only had a dSLR for 2 months now) with ACR / Ps than I was with RawTherapee.
Have you checked out the curriculum thingees that Adobe has in their educational resources area? Might be some neat ideas for assignments.
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