I am new to Adobe Premiere Elements 10 and I have a lot of questions after using it for the past 4 days and getting aquainted. First off here are my system specifications:
HP Model h8-1214, 10GB PC3 10600 DDR3 SDRAM, 1.5TB hard drive, AMD FX 6100 6 -Core processor, AMD radeon 7450 HD graphics, Windows 7 64 bit.
This is supposed to be a top of the line computer and I was told it could handle video editing without any issues or hold ups after all best buy does not even carry higher end models then this one. I am currently working on two projects the first is a re-edit of 1 hours worth of Mini DV footage already edited in windows movie maker. The other is a 3 minute compilation of videos off my ipod nano. All the video files are stored on a 500 GB Toshiba USB 2.0 external hard drive. I have to say I am already experiencing hang ups, slow load time, NOT RESPONDING, and choppy footage when entering effects and titles. Also just as a test I initially put 1.5 hours of 960P high deff footage off my GoPro and threw in some effects, transitions, and menu options to see if Adobe and my computer could handle it. It did ok but it took almost 2.5 hours just to render and burn a single DVD.
I am used to similar crap on my wifes 400 dollar laptop but what do I have to buy for this thing to get it to just not stutter and work right. I am very angry at this point since I was excited that I could finally get a computer and not be held back by poor performance as I have been in the past. Any advice would be appreciated.
I will GUESS the ipod is like the iphone
Iphone won't edit http://forums.adobe.com/thread/881246
When you import video, before you do anything at all, do you have a red line over the timeline?
Those are not the correct settings for miniDV -- which probably explains your performance problems.
Start a new project and, for the settings, select DV. (There is both a standard and widescreen option.)
Your miniDV footage (captured over FireWire) should work wonderfully with those settings!
Thats my mistake for some reason I thought it would work like an up-convert to higher resolution. I am also curious now which is the proper high deff setting for a GoPro. I often use it in 960 and there is no setting I can find for 960, although several for 1080 but would it be the AVCHD, HDV, or DV for the GoPro?
Finding out exactly what is inside your video files will help you determine the correct settings
Read Bill Hunt on a file type as WRAPPER http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037
What is a CODEC... a Primer http://forums.adobe.com/thread/546811
What CODEC is INSIDE that file? http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037
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Report back with the codec details of your file, use the programs below... a screen shot works well to SHOW people what you are doing
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For PC http://www.headbands.com/gspot/ or http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en
For Mac http://mediainfo.massanti.com/
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http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2011/02/red-yellow-and-gree n-render-bars.html
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Once you know exactly what it is you are editing, report back with that information... and your project setting, and if there is a red line above the video in the timeline, which indicates a mismatch between video and project
>thought it would work like an up-convert to higher resolution
No, you need to create a project that matches what you are editing
Bill,
Thanks for the info on CODEC. I know the one long file I am re-editing is a MINI-DV based file transfered from a firewire on an older Toshiba laptop and the camera is a SONY HC-36. Since there is only two NTSC settings for MINI DV files, if I use one of them and get the green bar then all should be good and I wont need to find the CODEC for this one correct? Also with my GoPro since the HIGH DEFF footage comes straight off the Camera from the HDSC card I could just call the manufacturer and ask them what the correct File extension is and try it in Elements to make sure I get the green bar? Only if I continue to get RED above the timeline would I need to pursue the CODEC settings and possibly google them and purchase them to get them to work correctly in Elements?
It might be best to chase one issue at a time, bikercrze.
The miniDV footage issue should be pretty easy to resolve, if we focus on it.
Go Pro footage, however, is a whole different animal, and it's likely going to demand something of a hybrid solution.
If you set up a project for DV, can you use the miniDV footage in the project and NOT get red lines above the footage on the timeline?
That particular file is a full length video file I had made last year using files that came from a firewire. I wanna say it was arcsoft showbiz that I had on my laptop and I used a firewire through that program to upload from my Mini DV. I then added all the clips and rendered the output file shown above using showbiz to save for future use. It is not fresh off the firewire. I did just try to open a new project with this footage using DV Standard and DV Widescreen both had the red line.
This video is "tainted" by whatever Arcsoft has done to it.
If you capture fresh miniDV video over a FireWire connection with Premiere Elements (or even WinDV) your video will be 100% compatible with a project set up for DV.
But these non-standard formats, including whatever ArcSoft created, are going to give you nothing but trouble.
This is the info from a bare clip unedited straight off the firewire from showbiz. When I initially put just this clip in Elements there was no color at all. When I put a single video effect into the clip it then became red. I am confused now is it the same tainted type of file? The first clip I posted was a 58 minute long video file that one was red as soon as I put it in elements but it was also already rendered by Showbiz.
The placement of the files onto DVD, or CD, would not have transformed the format/CODEC. As Steve points out, the file shown is an MPEG-2 in a VOB container, which is part of a DVD-Video. At some point, a DVD-Video was produced, and this VOB/MPEG-2 seems to be part of that.
Good luck,
Hunt
bikercrze1@aol.com wrote:
Since there is only two NTSC settings for MINI DV files, if I use one of them and get the green bar then all should be good and I wont need to find the CODEC for this one correct
If the setting is correct you shouldn't get a line of any colour. When you then add effects or transitions the line goes red and you can render by pressing [ENTER] after which the line goes green.
But the key to success is the first part - a correct project setting match should not display any lines when first placed on the timeline.
Cheers,
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Neale
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bikercrze1@aol.com wrote:
This is the info from a bare clip unedited straight off the firewire from showbiz. When I initially put just this clip in Elements there was no color at all.
That would mean the project setting you used was correct and ought to give you a good performance in PRE. The setting I would use for VOB clips is the NTSC> Hard Disk, Flash Memory Camcorders> Standard 48kHz. Is that what you used?
Cheers,
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Neale
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GoPro is problematic as there is no matching project setting for it. This article may be helpful for you: Go-Pro Helmet Cam Footage Editing Tips
Cheers,
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Neale
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nealeh,
I used both the Standard and Widescreen DV setting for the Mini Dv files not the hard disk setting. Both of those settings had no color lines until I added effects. I did not try to render once I added the effects but now I realize it was my mistake and I will try it again. Either way you say no colors initially is good so that pretty much solves that problem. This is new software I just can't believe all these issues.
Now that I can get the GoPro footage to work thanks to that post by nealeh above here is my next question. I plan to use footage from my GoPro and DCR HC-36 mini DV to get various angles of video at the same time. How can I make it so both of these files will fit in one project?
I have been editing some of my DV footage and it seems to be working just fine now. It is a little annoying since every time I put in a new effect or title over the video clip it goes from green to red until rendered. Is there a way to have it render automatically whenever you add something? Another thing I noticed is some of the clips remain with no color line above them, while others will have green and go back forth from red to green like I mentioned until rendered. Is this all part of how Adobe works? I want to be sure I am getting the full quality and performace out this system.
bikercrze1@aol.com wrote:
How can I make it so both of these files will fit in one project?
If you mean you want a Picture in Picture effect you place the clips on Video1 and Video2 and then adjust the size and position of the Video2 track using the clips Motion Properties.
If you mean you want to switch from one view to the other in a continuous timeline then you have to 'slice and dice' the clips to remove the unwanted parts. You could do this all within Video1 but personally I would put them on separate tracks and remove the unwanted parts from the appropriate track. This way you know exactly which camera the footage came from. The Split Clip (Ctrl+k) tool is your friend in this!
Cheers,
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Neale
Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children
bikercrze1@aol.com wrote:
Is this all part of how Adobe works? I want to be sure I am getting the full quality and performace out this system.
Yep that's normal. When you first add your clips you don't want to see any red above the clip(*) - that means your project setting is wrong. When you add an effect or transition, ie changing the way the end result will look, then the affected (and only the affected) part goes red. You can leave it red if you want - when you finally share your project the whole timeline is rendered regardless of the colour status. But if you want the preview to be a little smoother you can press [Enter] to render the red part - when finished they go green.
So providing your project setting is correct no lines mean the clip is as originally shot, red or green means the clip has had an effect or transition applied.
(*) Still photos though always come in with a red line.
Cheers,
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Neale
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Ok thanks Neale,
What I meant about adding both files is I have footage from my Mini DV and my GoPro which I will be adding to the same video project in order to get certain angles like my car taking off from a start I want the angle from the driver seat and from what people on the side of the road would see. So the question would be how do I add both Standard DV and an HD file to the same project timeline without having the red line problem.
bikercrze1@aol.com wrote:
So the question would be how do I add both Standard DV and an HD file to the same project timeline without having the red line problem.
You have two choices. Either downscale your HD footage to DV-AVI and then have both added into an SD project. If you want to do a DVD this is the best solution. Or, if you plan an HD output (Blu-Ray or AVCHD), you can add your SD footage to your HD project. It can then be pillar/letterboxed (staying as sharp as the original) or enlarged to fill the HD frame (this will produce some blurring).
Cheers,
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Neale
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