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all buttons highlighted after activate

Mar 22, 2012 2:27 AM

Hi,

I made a menu in encore CS4, used a photoshop file as menu layout.
5 buttons, these are pictures (a logo and text, saved together in photoshop as a picture, it is no real text anymore!)

in normal state a part of the button (the (=1) part) is transparant, and when selected, this part of the button becomes 100% opacity.
This works fine, in Encore preview and also on dvd. But sometimes, when i activated a button, all the other buttons are highlighted too!
This takes only half a second, but i don't see a reason for this to happen.
I tried different things, like make the activated state transparant, but that's no solution.
I also doesn't happen every time and not at a specific button.

So the problem is; after activating a button, all the other buttons are in selected state for about half a second. Then de dvd play's like it was ment to be.rg

I hope someone knows a reason/solution for this.
J. van leeuwen

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1. Stan Jones,

Mar 22, 2012 4:13 AM in reply to visuallife

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I cannot imagine a way to set this up. Meaning, either you are wrong about some aspect of what you believe is happening (for example, it happens the same way every time when you use a particular button, or you have an invisible button) or the project is corrupt or, most likely, you have a problem inthe program (which would lead to reinstalling).

My first step would be to create the project all new, but bring in the same menu. And if that didn't work, to use a library menu and recreate your menu.

You might post a screenshot of your menu in photoshop with all the layers twirled open.

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2. visuallife,

Mar 22, 2012 12:58 PM in reply to Stan Jones

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Stan,
Thanks for your quick replay!

Here is a screenshot.There are 5 symbols, with on top text. the text(is a graphic, not real text from photoshop Texteditor) is in normal state 0% opacity, and is 100% opacity when selected.
In this screenshot you see the buttonborders touching. I did already change that, but that is not the reason for my problem.

I did make a new project like you suggested, that also didn't solve the problem.
On different dvd players i found out, that it sometimes takes more time to start the selected video. In those cases, all the buttons are highlighted.
In my preview in Encore, things go faster, and it seems to happen on some kind of random, maybe when it takes more time to start the selected timeline.
I tried to redirect, after a button is activated, to a submenu, and from that menu automatically start de desired timeline. Unfortunally this didn't solve anything.

Till now, it looks like all the buttons are in activate state just before the menu switches to the selected timeline.

WHY?

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3. SupersoulVP,

Mar 22, 2012 1:54 PM in reply to visuallife

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Hey J.

Since the first Encore project I made, I have always used (=3) for my button highlights and not (=1). The reason was because when I put a disc with (=1) into some dvd players, no highlights would show up at all. In a computer, everything would look fine. I have not heard about too many other people having this happen, but I definitely did, so now its been (=3) for all projects without any problems at all.

Also, it might be worth going through your entire psd file in Photoshop and see if in fact all highlights are in the right place and are not duplicated somewhere else. Since your background is white and your highlight layers might be as well, making a temporary dark background will help you spot any problems a lot easier.

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4. Stan Jones,

Mar 22, 2012 7:40 PM in reply to SupersoulVP

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I have always used (=3) for my button highlights and not (=1).
That was a known issue/workaround for Macs. Were you/are you on a Mac? I have already forgotten whether that was fixed in a newer version.

And yes, it can be worth a try. I don't think that is his issue here, however.

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5. Stan Jones,

Mar 22, 2012 7:47 PM in reply to visuallife

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I find it easier to troubleshoot from a screenshot from Photoshop. However, the multiple layers under the buttons can create problems. Try merging all of them to the background. (You can keep the layers separate as well; just turn visibility off.)

Are you sure none of the buttons layers are overlapping? Usually overlapping is shown by Red. But the green borders are clearly overlapping. I can't tell if the button itself is. I would try more separation, especially button 1 and 2 from the left.

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6. SupersoulVP,

Mar 22, 2012 8:28 PM in reply to Stan Jones

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Hey Stan. Yes I do work on a Mac and that was with Encore CS5.

The problem with the highlights not showing up happened on my first big dvd/blu-ray project when I was making the move from DVD SP and still cutting my teeth in the application. Deadline looming and just when I thought it was done, the highlight number betrayed me. Never again. (=3) all the way from then on. It's as good a highlight number as any :)

I too didn't think that was the source of J's highlight problem. It's likely something accidentally duplicated in a button group of the psd file or the background layers.

J I'd suggest saving a copy of your psd file and deleting ALL layers that do not need to be there. Some extra background layer or something might be making Encore think too hard and causing the error.

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7. visuallife,

Mar 23, 2012 6:57 AM in reply to SupersoulVP

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Hi,

I work on windows PC not on Mac, tried however changing the number (=3). Didn't help.
There are only 3 layers besides the button layers. I closed those 3 layers so my menu was only those 6 buttons, didn't change the problem.
Changed the button size to prevent overlapping (tried that before), didn't change the problem.

I found out (by using several colors in the colorset), that when all the highlights show, they show the SELECTED state of those buttons, not the activated state.

So "why oh why" should the selected states be shown, when i already did activated a button.

Seems to me, that as soon as i activate a button, the next step must be showing the timeline i selected.
It looks like, after i activate a button, the menu function is ended (so no more highlight color control), but before the timeline is started, the original photoshop file is still shown in the screen.
The strange thing is, in my preview it is at random order. sometimes i select a button 4 times in a row, and now problem at all.

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8. Stan Jones,

Mar 23, 2012 8:07 AM in reply to visuallife

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Send me (via private message) or post your psd somewhere. I'll take a look.

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9. visuallife,

Mar 24, 2012 9:03 AM in reply to Stan Jones

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Hi Stan,

Hereby the PSD file.
The 5 buttons "buttongroep5actief" 1 to 5, are the buttons which show
the problem.
In Encore, I use a Colorset with :
normal : white - 100% opacity
selected: white - 0% opacity
activate: white - 100% opacity

In this way, the 5 icons in the buttons are shown always, and the
upperpart with te text will be shown only during selecting.

Thanks for taking a look at it.

Greetings,
Jurgen van Leeuwen

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10. SupersoulVP,

Mar 25, 2012 12:12 AM in reply to visuallife

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Hey Jurgen. I'm sure Stan will have this sorted once he gets a chance to look at it.

A couple observations though. Having the Normal highlight state at white 100% and the Selected highlight state at 0% seems totally reversed to me. This likely is why all your highlights are showing up when you press a button. During that little half-second delay between activating a button and when the disc actually navigates to wherever, the menu can reveal the normal state of the menu.

It might be a way better idea to have everything your want visible all the time actually integrated into the background or at the very least NOT controlled by a highlight state. Have your normal state set to 0%, the selected state as white 100%, and the activate state set to some other colour (or white at a different percentage).

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11. SupersoulVP,

Mar 25, 2012 12:28 AM in reply to SupersoulVP

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Maybe not white for your selected state now that I remember your background is that colour. Some other colour that you want the highlight (text in this case) to be would be better. Remember that overlays are restricted to being 2-bit because of the DVD Spec. They won't necessarily look great if you are trying to have an overlay be text, especially over other text.

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12. Stan Jones,

Mar 28, 2012 8:34 PM in reply to visuallife

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Just an update. I did get the file, but have not had time to test it. I don't see anything that should cause what is described, but I need to put it in a test project.

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13. visuallife,

Apr 2, 2012 12:16 PM in reply to Stan Jones

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Stan and SupersoulVP,
Thanks for your ideas and support, but the encore menu just doesn't work right.

I found out, that even with the templates that are supplied with Encore CS4, you sometimes see that there is a wrong state or different showing, after activating a button.
Even if it is a 2-bit restriction for DVD specs, it makes no sense that the selected states of all buttons are showing.
If it would show the normal state, i would try to accept that, because of the possible delay between menu and starting the selected links, but showing all the selected states is just wrong.
Maybe because of the extreme color differences, 100% white to 0% opaque, it shows more then in any other menu/colorsetting.

Due to production deadlines, we changed the menu, and work with only text that has a subpicture with no extreem color differences. But i'm a (2-) bit dissapointed; i desided to work Adobe Encore because of the better quality of dvd creation and transcoding, but have to make limits to, what seems to me, not such a spectacular menu creation.

But as i started this reply, thanks for the support you guys provided.

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14. Stan Jones,

Apr 2, 2012 2:46 PM in reply to visuallife

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But i'm a (2-) bit dissapointed; ...
Laughed at that one!

I am once again away from my production machine and cannot test quickly.

I did not understand the 2 layers above the bottom background layer; also, there is color in some of the button backgrounds that acted like a vector layer but did not seem to be.

I found out, that even with the templates that are supplied with Encore CS4, you sometimes see that there is a wrong state or different showing, after activating a button.
Even if it is a 2-bit restriction for DVD specs, it makes no sense that the selected states of all buttons are showing.
I don't understand that. Most of us are not getting menus in which all the buttons show the selected states when only one is selected.

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15. Stan Jones,

Apr 3, 2012 8:00 PM in reply to Stan Jones

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I created a new Encore project, PAL, added your menu, added a timeline and linked up the buttons. In EN preview and in build to folder, played using TMT5, I see no instance where all buttons briefly show activated state when only one button is selected. I tried all buttons, multiple times. You describe the issue as only happening sometimes. If you can pin down when it happens, that might help.

The buttons do not overlap, and I don't see anything that should result in it not working.

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16. visuallife,

Apr 4, 2012 12:37 AM in reply to Stan Jones

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Stan Jones wrote:

played using TMT5, I see no instance where all buttons briefly show activated state when only one button is selected. I tried all buttons, multiple times.

The problem is not that the activated states are shown when i select a button, the problem is that all the selected states are showing when i activate one button!
Maybe i did not explain this enough, but in the color set, the normal state must be 100 % white, selected state color must be 0% white and the activated state must be again 100% white.
This way you will only see the upper part of a button when you select this button. Then, when you deside to activate the button, the upper part of the button must disappear (because the activated color state becomes 100% white again).
If switching from the menu to the activated timeline goes fast enough, their would not be any problem (seen).

To pin down the moment when it happens; that is random, in Encore Preview it happens 30% of the time that i select one of the buttons.
On dvd, played in three different dvd players, it happens about 70%(one dvd player does better than another) of the time i activate a button. It looks like it happens more often on those buttons that are linked to timelines that are longer then others. But we are talking about videofiles that take max. 3 to 7 minutes duration.
Even when i place short videofiles in the timelines, just for testing, i keep getting this problem.
Also when i use only text from the Encore texteditor, and give these a highlight, i keep seeing that after activating a button, the selected states of the other buttons are showing. Like i set earlier, THIS makes no sense, there is in my opinion no reason for Encore, to show the selected states, because i gave no action to show selected states, i gave an action for activated state.

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17. Stan Jones,

Apr 4, 2012 3:56 AM in reply to visuallife

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I said it wrong, but had it right: when you activate one button, all buttons display the selected state. But I was not getting that.

But I did not understand the color state information.

Can you post a screen shot of Encore preview with one button selected (not activated).

What happens if you leave the menu color set as "automatic"?

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18. visuallife,

Apr 5, 2012 6:13 AM in reply to Stan Jones

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Hi Stan,

Hereby a screen shot from Encore preview, in which the fourth button
is selected.
You can see the text above the fourth figure.(the selected state in
the color set is set to 0% wite)
By the way, The text is not real text from the Encore text editor, but
is a graphic.
Above the other figures is no text visible, these buttons are in
Normal state, which means a highlight of 100% white.
Should i select another figure, then text above the selected figure is
shown, and the text above figure 4 becomes white (normal state).
This all works the way we intented.

Should i Activate the button which is shown in de screen shot, then
for a short while, you will see also the text above the other figures.
So two possiblities; after activating, all the selected states are
shown, OR after activating, the highlight function is disabled.

Like you asked i tried using the "automatic" colorset, this works
several times like it supposed to do, it shows the square blocks after
selecting or activating.
Then i also tried selecting "menu default" in the colorset(= normal
st. 0%, selected st. 47% orange and activate st. 47% red) .
I changed the normal state from 0% to 100% white, and then did a preview.
So, if the problem occured showing all the selected states, this means
that all buttons should show a color orange (47% opaque).
3 or 4 times it worked correclty, so after activating directly the
timeline start playing without any wrong highlighting.
BUT then my problem occured, showing all the buttons, but without any color!!
So that means, that the highlight function was disabled!
(and not like i thought, showing the selected state)

Yesterday I got in contact with a Dutch lady videographer, who is also
a Adobe Premiere pro and Encore Certified Expert, and she had the same
problem i have, when see tested my menu and colorsettings. (in CS 5.5)
She never saw it before, didn't no the reason and said she would
report this as a bug.

Now i will tell her that the bug is not showing the selected state,
but disabling the highlight function when switching between menu and
timeline.

So thanks again for your input, and we are closer to the reason of the
problem.
But i don't understand, that never before anyone using Encore had this
challenge with making a menu.
After all, it isn't a spectacular layout.

greetings,
Jurgen

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19. Stan Jones,

Apr 5, 2012 6:53 AM in reply to visuallife

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Your screenshot did not post, but you provided what I was looking for: you are making the entire button background graphic (which includes the words) disappear, using the opacity of the button set. While that may work, it is not the common method.

When I change the color set opacity as you have, I do not see other buttons do anything when I activate a button, but when it returns to the menu from a video, I see all buttons briefly (I cannot tell whether it is the selected or activated state).

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20. visuallife,

Apr 5, 2012 7:09 AM in reply to Stan Jones

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Hi Stan, here's the screenshot.
I only make half the button background disappear (the text part of the background), that way you can "select" the button to see what extra information is there to the button.(Those figures represent groups of educational level that belong to a school

What common method would you chose, to get the same result?

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21. Stan Jones,

Apr 5, 2012 7:53 AM in reply to visuallife

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The text would remain visible; the result would not be the same.

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22. Ann Bens,

Apr 5, 2012 2:08 PM in reply to Stan Jones

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I had a go at the menu. I saw the same glitch.
Workaround would be making the text in PS.
But the text would not look quite the same.

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