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Convert PC Pagemaker docs to Mac Pagemaker docs?

Aug 26, 2009 2:33 PM

I've recently switched to iMac from PC and need to convert documents/booklets created in PC Pagemaker 7.0 to Mac Pagemaker 7.0. Possible? My docs are already labeled with .pmd; now what

 
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    Aug 26, 2009 6:10 PM   in reply to Linda Ahlers

    Just open it with Pagemaker 7 on your Mac.

     

    but you say you just recently switched to Mac I take this to mean you own an Intel Mac?

     

    If this is true, you need to know Pagemaker does not run on an Intel Mac.

     

    It will run in Classic mode on a PowerPC Mac With Tiger (10.4.11) or less. PM will not run in Leopard even on a PowerPC Mac.

     
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    Sep 22, 2009 5:43 PM   in reply to Linda Ahlers

    If the goal is only to view or print (or extract text from) a Pagemaker file on an Intel Mac which is incapable of running in Classic mode (and therefore unable to run Pagemaker at all), an option is to use Adobe's Create Adobe® PDF Online subscription-based service which converts a number of application file formats to PDF. It's $10/month or $100/year, but they offer a free trial.

     

    https://createpdf.adobe.com

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 9:52 AM   in reply to EllsworthC

    Interesting, PM is suppose to make files you can send to associates. BUT!!! Unless those associates have PM

    They can't open them. I run support for a company worldwide, and to do this so all of our clients can get/read

    said PM material, I have to print the file(s) to an output file, whereas then I can open it in Adobe Photoshop, and give

    the file a extension that can be read by any program. (Most cases .jpg) Most of my clients have MS Paint, and luckily for them MS Paint can read an .ocx file. (.ocx is the output's extension when you print to file). NOW this is totally ridiculous that someone has to go thru these steps so a PM file can be sent to clients! NOW Adobe Photoshop is a premiere product of Adobe, BUT yet it cannot read a format from another of same company's products. In  this case Adobe Pagemaker. I happen to be a programmer, and seeing as to how Adobe makes Photoshop, they know how to give their program multiple extensions. Who ELSE sees the problem here?  LoL Adobe? Wake up!! Stop playing games and using proprietary file formats.

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 9:56 AM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    If this had been posted yesterday I’d have pegged it as an April Fool’s joke.

     

     

     

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    Apr 2, 2012 10:00 AM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    First, PageMaker has been an officially dead program for years.

     

    Second, I would say it's not uncommon for special files produced by programs to require that program to open them. Excel and FileMaker are two non-Adobe examples easily coming to my mind...

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 10:28 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    Actually this isn't a Mac problem, it is just what I found as a way to state it, The operating system PM 7.0 is on

    is Windows 8 cp. But not with standing, the product should of been created so that it could be saved in more than

    2 formats, both proprietary PageMaker. And if it is a discontinued product, why is Adobe still selling it? And from what their tech support had said, a new version is in programming right now.

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 10:30 AM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    PM is dead and has been for years. End of story.

     

     

     

    There is no pagelayout application that you can just pass the files around with. That’s what PDF is for.

     

     

     

    I’m not going to even bother commenting on installing it on anything newer than Windows XP.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 12:00 PM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    Nobody has mentioned Macs to you.

     

    As Bob says, files produced by layout programs are not interchangeable amongst them.

     

    If you want to know why Adobe continues selling a dead product, you'll have to ask Adobe. Just fellow users around here.

     

    No new version of PageMaker will ever be produced; see the many threads on the subject.

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 12:48 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    Passing an original file to a client is something I would never do, they would invariably mess up the file physically and aesthetically. Sending a pdf copy is the standard, most people know how to deal with them (ocx files not so much) The smarter clients can mark up a pdf with suggested changes and comments.

     

    Jay

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 2:10 PM   in reply to Jay Chevako

    Actually Jay, it came out just as if it when thru the printer. Even after converting it to .jpg

    No lost in quality what so ever. All an .ocx file is the type of information sent to a printer.

    And as you know when you get out a physical paper copy, it retains all the information that

    you had sent to the printer. Then opening it up in either MS Paint, or Adobe Photoshop keeps

    the graphics and reliability so you are able to convert the file to .jpg format. My problem was

    why is it NOT built into Adobe PageMaker? Would seem to me, with Adobe Photoshop having

    all the type of image files that it has, ALL Adobe products should. I can’t image that Adobe wouldn’t

    have that file type available, to also answer the question why didn’t I use Portable Document Format

    (PDF) there is NO such option in Adobe Pagemaker to create a .pdf. Trust me on this, what needed to

    be done by myself HAD to have been. Too many end-users needed that in something that they could

    read without getting tech support to walk them thru it, and .jpg is the best for that. I even ran a poll and

    the end-users that I support only 38% have a version of MS Office.

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 2:14 PM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    Bottom line is PAGEMAKER IS DEAD!

     

     

     

    If you want to output to JPG from a pagelayout application then move to InDesign.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 2:21 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Ummmm Bob? Want to explain that to close to a million users of Pagemaker that it is dead?

    Lots of luck.

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 2:32 PM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    To be perfectly frank, that’s not my problem.

     

     

     

    Time marches on but if you want to live in the past that’s your business.

     

     

     

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    Apr 2, 2012 2:43 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Don't get me wrong Bob, no offense was meant, but the customer base I have to support
    aren't into change, they feel it works for them, why change it. I basically can do what Adobe PageMaker can

    in Microsoft Publisher. It is simple enough, another thing Bob, did Adobe to your knowledge let their register

    users know that they had discontinued the product? If they haven't have them send those customers to me, I'll

    be more than happy to give them technical support. Nice money to be made with obsolete products that the

    end-user(s) JUST don't want to let go of.

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 2:46 PM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    Yes, they were informed years ago.

     

    http://www.adobe.com/products/pagemaker/pdfs/pm_up_faq.pdf

     

    Bob

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 3:54 PM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    Based on the number of questions that are posted per month in this forum, I would very much doubt that there are still millions of people using PageMaker.

     
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    Apr 2, 2012 6:59 PM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    MikeLonewolf wrote:

     

    Actually Jay, it came out just as if it when thru the printer. Even after converting it to .jpg

    No lost in quality what so ever.

     

    Jpg is a lossy format.  it throws out information to reduce file size. by defitnition it will lose image quality



    All an .ocx file is the type of information sent to a printer.


    .ocx sounds like microsoft format that upholds the horrible OLE tradition that is a recipie for disaster in the print industry

     

    .prn or better .ps (Postscript) are printer formats

     


    And as you know when you get out a physical paper copy, it retains all the information that

    you had sent to the printer. Then opening it up in either MS Paint, or Adobe Photoshop keeps

    the graphics and reliability so you are able to convert the file to .jpg format.

     

    Photoshop doesn't "keep the graphics and reliability" what photoshop does is rasterize the informatin. it turns the text and images in a file into an image. This kills of a lot of the information in the file, like the ability to edit the text/ images, as well as alot of the image quality, furthermore when you print to a postscript file (.ps) the type will rasterize at the output resolution of the printer. This may not mean much to you, but for people dealing with professional printing this is important..  Type sent to  an office printer can rasterize at 1200 dpi, If  you try that with photoshop you would get a ridicuolously large file.



    My problem was why is it NOT built into Adobe PageMaker? Would seem to me, with Adobe Photoshop having

    all the type of image files that it has, ALL Adobe products should. I can’t image that Adobe wouldn’t

    have that file type available,

     

    An image type does not allow for editability, only for a copy, just like a pdf


    to also answer the question why didn’t I use Portable Document Format

    (PDF) there is NO such option in Adobe Pagemaker to create a .pdf. Trust me on this, what needed to

    be done by myself HAD to have been.


    I have several thousand pdf files created from pagemaker, so I don't trust you. You need to check your instalation and make sure you have acrobat distiller installed along with pagemaker. Pagemakers pdf creation is a quite archaic, but it does work, you can either export to a pdf file, but that was always a bit unreliable, or you could print to a postscript file (.ps) and run that file through the version of distiller that came with pagemaker


    Too many end-users needed that in something that they could

    read without getting tech support to walk them thru it, and .jpg is the best for that. I even ran a poll and

    the end-users that I support only 38% have a version of MS Office.

     

    Even more reason to use a pdf file, Adobe reader is free, and installed on most computers, better yet you can preserve the vector parts of your file which will keep your file size down while maintaining the quality of your file. With a pdf file you can easily contorl the quaity/size of file, making it easy to email  a proof to a client, as well as being able to send a High quality pdf to a printing company.

     

    As has been stated Pagemaker is zombie ware, yes Adobe keeps selling it, but it  has been replaced by Indesign, which does have a direct output to jpg, amongst many other formats, but it's own file format is proprietary, just like any other page layout program out there.

     

     

    Jay

     


     
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    Apr 2, 2012 7:04 PM   in reply to Jay Chevako

    Jay Chevako wrote:


    As has been stated Pagemaker is zombie ware, yes Adobe keeps selling it...


     

    They offer it for sale...I'm exactly sure if they're still selling it. <g>

     

    Bob

     
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    Apr 3, 2012 3:13 AM   in reply to Linda Ahlers

    Jay Chevako said [quote] .ocx sounds like microsoft format that upholds the horrible OLE tradition that is a recipie for disaster in the print industry .prn or better .ps (Postscript) are printer formats [/endquote]

     

    Jay, .ocx stands for Open Compact eXchange it is a printer/scanner format, PS is PostScript a FONT SET, nothing to do with a scanned image, or printer output other than what you created with the software used to make the document ready for printing..

     

     

     
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    Apr 3, 2012 4:59 AM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    Mike, do yourself a favor and quit while you’re ahead.

     

     

     

    Considering the fact that you had no idea PM had died years ago and hadn’t had any notable development for many years before that I’d say you’ve done zero in the way of research on this topic.

     

     

     

    Good luck with your idea of providing paid support for those millions of PM users. Maybe you could sell them buggy whips, too.

     

     

     

    Sorry for the sarcasm, but as already pointed out, this forum is just about as dead as PM and you reopened a thread that was more than two years old. Your complaint would be like going to Ford and wanting to know why they didn’t include power seats and air conditioning in the Model T.

     

     

     

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    Apr 3, 2012 2:47 PM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    MikeLonewolf wrote:

     

    Jay, .ocx stands for Open Compact eXchange it is a printer/scanner format, PS is PostScript a FONT SET, nothing to do with a scanned image, or printer output other than what you created with the software used to make the document ready for printing..

     

     

    It's really amazing all those .ps files I sent to my old rip were actually font sets, I wonder how they magically manged to create finished pages with images and text..
    Jay

     
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    Apr 3, 2012 3:05 PM   in reply to Jay Chevako

    You're right Jay, QUITE amazing. Just curious as to what printer format you supposing used that turned

    ps extension as you stated created the output of a printer when in actually a printer is a type of scanning device and uses optical character recognition, Seriously if you believe that a .ps extension is a printer output file, show some evidence of that statement. I can show tons of pages that agree with me that when you output to a file a print job.

    You are given a .ocx extentsion.

     
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    Apr 3, 2012 3:23 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    BUT Bob, a Model T did have Air Conditioning. It was a windowed vechile, so therefore when you opened

    the windows AIR CONDITIONING *laughing* Bob, you have to remember back then there was no global warming

    as how it is today, so in actuality an open window was  the perfect air conditioning of the era. As for power seats,

    people were much stronger back then, and could slide them into position!

     
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    Apr 3, 2012 6:01 PM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    Then just open your windows and slide your back in Pagemaker...

     
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    Apr 4, 2012 8:02 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    http://www.adobe.com/products/postscript/

     

    "in actually a printer is a type of scanning device and uses optical character recognition"

     

    Seriously where do you come up with this stuff? A printer doesn't scan stuff, and it certainly doesn't convert scanned images into text

     

    Jay

     
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    Apr 4, 2012 6:24 PM   in reply to Jay Chevako

    With a Xerox multifunction printer, you can scan to create both a print and digital copy of any document that can then be easily archived, stored, shared, retrieved, emailed, faxed or printed. Now are you sure of your statement that a printer cannot double as a scanner Jay?

     
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    Apr 4, 2012 7:49 PM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    Surely you know that there is a slight difference between a printer and a multifunction printer which explains why you can scan a document with the second and not with the first?

     
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    Apr 5, 2012 2:00 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    Of course I do. It was meant as saying that both a printer, and a scanner are OCR devices.

     
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    Apr 5, 2012 2:48 AM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    Printer and multifunction device are not interchangeable words. 

     

    http://www.adobe.com/products/postscript/

    No comments on postscript?  Many Xerox printers/copiers have postscript (or postscript emulation) so I'm surprised you haven't run into postscript before.
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    Apr 5, 2012 10:20 AM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    None of my two printers has OCR capabilities. Maybe they are too old?

     
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    Apr 5, 2012 1:00 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    None of my scanners have OCR capabilities. They came with separate OCR software to install on the computer, but the scanners themselves are not OCR devices.
    Jay

     
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    Apr 5, 2012 2:57 PM   in reply to Jay Chevako

    Jay, going to shut you down real quick. I hope you like that Mac, it is the last one that will give you either MacOS, or Debian Linux (O/S-X) Panther. YOUR next operating system will be WINDOWS! Apple has stated they are out of the Operating System business, and if you have a modern Mac, you know it is now CICS, and nolonger RISC. I really JUST want to welcome you to Windows Jay. BUT not to worry, Windows 8 metro desktop is sort of like the icon based Mac O/S 7 & 8. Once I found out that you were a MAC user it told me, you wouldn't be familar with Windows's extensions! Might I suggest to you Jay, is go over to your local University's TTC and grab a couple of classes in Windows, and system files, & extensions. All in all you hadn't a clue with the Adobe program on a Windows 8 system, and just made a simple Q&A session a personal witch hunt because like most Mac users, you have a hated

    of ALL things Microsoft. Have a good life Jay. I won't be replying to this board anylonger.

     
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    Apr 5, 2012 3:12 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    Claudio? ALL printers have OCR that's HOW they can distinguish various font sets. OCR stands for Optical Character Recognition HELL even a line printer from the 1960s has OCR. This is WAY to hilarious! 

     

      

     
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    Apr 5, 2012 4:54 PM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    Of course, stupid of me not to realize that digital files contain printed images of characters, which the printer in turn optically scans to recognize them. Naively, I had vague notions of things such as ASCI and Unicode having something to do with the process. Hilarious, indeed. My apologies.


     
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    Apr 6, 2012 2:18 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    You know I  reinstalled windows 7 yesterday, before I realized that I was only a mac person. I wish I knew I had a hatred of all things microsoft before I attempted to do something I knew nothing about.  It's amazing that I'm able to use this machine at all.

     

    That was amusing and a little scary I fret about the state of our programmers

    Jay

     
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    Apr 6, 2012 2:48 AM   in reply to Jay Chevako

    Jay Chevako said [quote]

    You know I  reinstalled windows 7 yesterday, before I realized that I was only a mac person. I wish I knew I had a hatred of all things microsoft before I attempted to do something I knew nothing about.  It's amazing that I'm able to use this machine at all.

     

    That was amusing and a little scary I fret about the state of our programmers

    Jay[/quote]

     

     
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    Apr 6, 2012 2:55 AM   in reply to Claudio González

    Claudio Gonzalez said [quote]Of course, stupid of me not to realize that digital files contain printed images of characters, which the printer in turn optically scans to recognize them. Naively, I had vague notions of things such as ASCI and Unicode having something to do with the process. Hilarious, indeed. My apologies.[/quote]

     

    I wouldn't know about ASCI Claudio, I use ASCII Weird things they are having you do there.

    Have a wonderful day now. This strikes me as funny, usually it is some site visitor that's a Troll

    BUT here, it's the board Admins that are!  hahahahahahahhahahahhaha.

     

     
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    Apr 6, 2012 4:19 AM   in reply to MikeLonewolf

    Of course, that I that my fingers refused to print is much more important than printers optically recognizing each letter of a digital file to print them...

     

    Funny that you seem to think that I am some sort of administrator or member of some board here. I am just an ordinary user, far more ignorant than you of course, but at least I have not concentrated on your typos. And I do know what ASCII is about.

     
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