Adobe Community: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?

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1. getho,

Apr 2, 2012 8:34 PM in reply to wmp_slc

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nikon need to pull their head out of their bottom. You cant dictate to a professional what software to use. Its not realistics and its arrogant.

Sorry I'm no help. but commiserations (I will say that my first results with the 7d were horrible until an update was released)

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2. wmp_slc,

Apr 3, 2012 11:53 AM in reply to getho

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I agree totally but at this point I don't have much choice. I really haven't read of others seeing this problem and just wanted to find out if others are getting similar results.

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3. Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață,

Apr 4, 2012 1:23 AM in reply to wmp_slc

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I played with a studio shot from Imaging Resource and it looked perfectly fine. Samples at dpreview look good too (and the do use ACR, afaik).

What are your sharpening and NR settings?

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4. wmp_slc,

Apr 12, 2012 3:41 PM in reply to Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață

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Sorry, I have been out of town. My Sharpness settings are pretty low about level 30-40 at.08 and no NR. I really think it might be the camera, but Nikon Capture is night much better on the file. I don't know if you can see it in this comparison of ACR and Capture NX after sizing and jpegging, maybe in the hair but there is a distinct difference.

Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață wrote:

I played with a studio shot from Imaging Resource and it looked perfectly fine. Samples at dpreview look good too (and the do use ACR, afaik).

What are your sharpening and NR settings?

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5. wmp_slc,

Apr 12, 2012 4:28 PM in reply to wmp_slc

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Here is an LR 4.1 and Capture NX comparison. You can't really set the same sharpness setting since the two programs have different controls . The settings in LR 4.i are 40, 0.8 and 35 (detail) I also gave it a little sharpening in PS as it seemed way softer than the capture one. But when I run the sharpness up in LR 4 the noise gets crazy even at ISO 100.

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6. DdeGannes,

Apr 12, 2012 4:36 PM in reply to wmp_slc

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It is a matter of preference which rendition is better!

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7. Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață,

Apr 13, 2012 12:06 AM in reply to wmp_slc

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These seem equally sharp to me.

That said, the NX version has more sharpening applied and also has darker shadows, which gives higher contrast and more perceived sharpness as a result.

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8. R Geoffrey,

Apr 13, 2012 1:46 AM in reply to wmp_slc

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I'm unable to download Nikon D800 pictures onto LR4 too ... I've seen hints that Adobe is preparing a fix but nothing definite. The D800 is one of the world's top performing cameras and this is very disappointing. It would be reassuring if folk at Adobe could spare a moment to respond directly to these concerns.

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9. Geoff the kiwi,

Apr 13, 2012 1:53 AM in reply to R Geoffrey

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Also one of the newest. As you can see above people are using Lightroo for their D800 files so you can too!

R Geoffrey wrote:

I'm unable to download Nikon D800 pictures onto LR4 too ... I've seen hints that Adobe is preparing a fix but nothing definite. The D800 is one of the world's top performing cameras and this is very disappointing. It would be reassuring if folk at Adobe could spare a moment to respond directly to these concerns.

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10. Geoff the kiwi,

Apr 13, 2012 1:55 AM in reply to wmp_slc

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It looks as if Nikon have their equivalent of Clarity turned up. Have you tried some Clarity in Lr? I see the Lr file as being a little soft and the NX file as over sharp. Somewhere between would be good!!

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11. R Geoffrey,

Apr 13, 2012 5:30 AM in reply to Geoff the kiwi

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Yes, I can see from the messages above that "some" people are can download Nikon D800 files onto Lightoon 4.

However, not "everyone". In my case, my attempts to download are greeted with a message that LR4 does not recognise the D800 files. It is possible, I wonder, the Nikon video files or the Nikon live view files are causing this non-recognition by LR4.

In my experience Nikon Capture NX2 is not an option. It is "clunky" by comparison with LR2 and amazingly does not cater for video files created by Nikon camers.

Again, I ask if someone at Adobe can spare a moment to respond to these concerns.

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12. MadManChan2000,

Apr 13, 2012 6:49 AM in reply to R Geoffrey

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Currently, Lr 4.0 does not read D800 NEF files when shot in the Live View Video Mode. This will be fixed.

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13. wmp_slc,

Apr 13, 2012 10:35 AM in reply to Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață

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yes I notice the contrast difference after I ran out the files. I didn't do anything to exposure or contrast settings in either file in Lightroom or Capture NX but I forgot that in Capture NX picture controls are recognized on RAW files so it probably picked up something there. There is some apparent sharpening by the increase in black but I don't think that it is that different that the sharpness difference can't be seen. Increasing the sharpness in LR4 to the point where it mimics Capture NX just makes the noise level go crazy. I have just never had an issue with sharpening and noise increase in LR on any previous cameras. The D700 files always looked great.

Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață wrote:

These seem equally sharp to me.

That said, the NX version has more sharpening applied and also has darker shadows, which gives higher contrast and more perceived sharpness as a result.

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14. MadManChan2000,

Apr 13, 2012 10:52 AM in reply to wmp_slc

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That depends on what you're comparing. If you're looking at the per-pixel level (e.g., 100%), sure the images from the D800 may appear to be more sensitive to sharpening -- that's because each pixel is physically smaller (compared to the D700) and thus has correspondingly higher noise level. Sharpening in Lightroom works at the pixel level, so it is expected that you'll need to be more careful with applying Masking and luminance noise reduction with the higher-res D800 files.

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15. wmp_slc,

Apr 13, 2012 1:41 PM in reply to MadManChan2000

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MadManChan2000 wrote:

That depends on what you're comparing. If you're looking at the per-pixel level (e.g., 100%), sure the images from the D800 may appear to be more sensitive to sharpening -- that's because each pixel is physically smaller (compared to the D700) and thus has correspondingly higher noise level. Sharpening in Lightroom works at the pixel level, so it is expected that you'll need to be more careful with applying Masking and luminance noise reduction with the higher-res D800 files.

Those samples are at 100%. There is no noise reduction used in any of them but I can't find a combination of settings that will sharpen them adequetly and keep the noise in check. Capture NX doesn't seem to have that problem, but I hate to switch workflows after using LR for som many years.

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16. JG_Coleman,

Apr 13, 2012 3:01 PM in reply to wmp_slc

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wmp_slc wrote:

The settings in LR 4.i are 40, 0.8 and 35 (detail)

What level of masking are you using? If your masking is too low, then it might explain why noise is being sharpened (and, thus, introducing even more noise). Not sure if you mentioned the masking setting yet, but I didn't see anything about it while browsing the thread.

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