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Auto develop way off?

Apr 7, 2012 2:39 PM

Tags: #mac #lr_4 #exposure_adjustment #auto_develop

I upgraded to LR4 via an upgrade disk (V4.0).  I have been a long time LR user.  V3.6 that I was using had a very good "auto" in the develop section.  I worked up a preset using auto, lens correction, added calrity and vibrance as a one click, "let's see what I get", action.  Very often I was quite satisfied with this preset and would often add only minor adjustments to the  various sliders and do other local adjustments as needed.

 

LR4 'auto', at least in my install, is really broken as far as exposure adjustment.  It consistently drags down exposure anywhere from 1 to 2.5 stops. Really quite unsatisfactory.  With a LOT of images to process, not having my preset functioning is a real time killer.  Has anyone else noticed this behaviour?

 

I am also getting a "Version check unsucessful" error message everytime I check for updates.  This is a bit disturbing as my internet connection is fine and I have no way of determing if the Adobe server is on line. The upgrade install went without incident and I have not noticed any slowdown or other problems (so far) that others have noted.

 

I am running a Mac Pro with 14 G ram.

 
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    Apr 7, 2012 2:46 PM   in reply to PYarnall

    This reminds me: Is there any way to disable that auto develope feature? I look at the RAW files and they look fine, but after uploading them to Lightroom, the program automatically makes a bunch of wacky adjustments I  do not like.

     
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    Apr 7, 2012 4:51 PM   in reply to PYarnall

    PYarnall wrote:

     

    Has anyone else noticed this behaviour?

     

    A simple forum search would have turned up the other threads.

     
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    Apr 7, 2012 5:31 PM   in reply to Lee Jay

    What an amazing help you've been, Lee Jay.

     
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    Apr 7, 2012 6:29 PM   in reply to christianbobak

    christianbobak wrote:

     

    What an amazing help you've been, Lee Jay.

     

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/English_proverbs#G

     

    "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

     

    Your own question is unrelated to this thread, and since it's the most frequently-asked frequently-asked-question, perhaps you could visit the forum FAQ and have a look at the top of page 2.

     
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    Apr 7, 2012 6:57 PM   in reply to Lee Jay

    Of course, the time you spent typing all that out, you could have just answered the question, but then I guess that would have meant passing up the opportunity to demonstrate for us your vast mental prowess in being able to post a glib response.

     
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    Apr 7, 2012 7:05 PM   in reply to Lee Jay

    Okay smart guy. Here is a copy and paste from the FAQ. Maybe it's because I'm just a retard, or whatever, but I don't see an answer to my question, which is how does one stop Lightroom from doing that:

     

    Why does the color and or tone of my image change after import?

    Q - Why does the color and/or tone of my image change after import?

     

    Response courtesy of Jeff Schewe:

     

    A - When you import into Lightroom the first thumbnails you will see appear

    are the embedded thumbnails in your images. In the case of raw files, the

    thumbnails are automatically generated by your camera but based only on your

    camera's settings, not Lightroom's default settings for your camera.

     

    After importing and depending on Preview settings (whether you chose to

    generate "full-sized" preview upon import), Lightroom will generate a thumbnail and

    preview based upon Lightrooms default settings for your camera-unless you

    also chose to import while applying a Develop preset.

     

     

    Why don't they match? Because cameras processed thumbnails are based upon

    the camera company's defaults, and the odds are that the Lightroom

    interpretation of the same image data will be different.

     

    Which is correct? Technically, in the case of a raw file, there is no

    "correct" answer. Raw files need to be rendered.

     

    One of the advantages of shooting raw is that the resulting raw capture is

    open to various renderings without any destruction to the original

    data-meaning you can change and alter the image to make it look the way YOU

    want.

     

    If you are constantly altering the settings for images a certain way, it may

    be that you should create a Develop preset so you can automatically apply

    that when you import. Adjusting the general settings such as Brightness and

    Contrast or Saturation or Vibrance or in the Calibrate panel, (the way in

    which colors are rendered) can be saved as a user named setting that you can

    apply when importing image from your camera.

     

    It should be noted however, that image or scene specific settings may still

    need to be applied image by image.

     

    Note: above discussion also applies to images shot with B&W settings in camera.

     
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    Apr 7, 2012 8:01 PM   in reply to christianbobak

    Quote " which is how do you stop Lightroom from doing that?".

     

    You cant.....

    because Lightroom software has a different chef than your camera manufacturer and he does not have access to their recipe. Simple.

     

    Why would you pay a lot of money for Adobe to provide you with a raw processor that provides you with the same rendition of the raw file from your camera as the free software provided by your camera manufacturer.

    Surely you are expecting to recieve some value for you money. What makes you think that the rendition from your camara is closer to "reality" than the one from Lightroom.

     

    Your camera manufacturer is only producing a rendition that they believe is more "pleasing" to the user.

     

    In the days of film, negative and slide, you had Kodak, Fuji, Agfa, etc, with each having multiple variations to choose from, thats what allows the user to be creative and not be a clone.

     
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    Apr 7, 2012 8:32 PM   in reply to DdeGannes

    DdeGannes wrote:

     

    What makes you think that the rendition from your camara is closer to "reality" than the one from Lightroom.

     

     

     

    Because it looks ten times better than what Lightroom thinks it looks like, and it actually looks quite a bit closer to what I saw with my naked eye.

     
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    Apr 8, 2012 2:37 AM   in reply to christianbobak

    To have images imported in Lr look same as camera/nx2:

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/4320510#4320510

     
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    Apr 8, 2012 3:38 AM   in reply to christianbobak

    Just for the sake of completeness: there is a tick in the preference settings to apply full auto-develop.

    To my taste this should be off.

    If you see very strange results from Lightroom it might be worth while to quickly check the setting.

     

    Going back to the OP topic: i find auto in LR4-develop inconsistent: sometimes really good, sometimes far off, which can be both to under- or over-exposure side.

    I should mention perhaps that I strive to expose-to-the-right: usually an exposure bias of +2/3 if not more carefully chosen for farther to the limit of burning out highlights. The image-adaptive nature of PV2012 deals quite marvellously with that and almost never do I need to apply -2/3 exposure, as one might expect with my in-camera bias.

    Partial auto for blacks and whites is often preferable to full auto (i.e. Holding shift while double-clicking on the slider label).

     

    Full auto rarely does a good job on the Nikon D3S, but more often on the D300S and even more often on the Canon G12 and S90. Camera profile vs. Adobe Standard calibration as first default is also a question I answer differently for each of these cameras.

     

    Cornelia

     
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    Apr 8, 2012 5:01 AM   in reply to christianbobak

    Hey Christian, drop the snotty attitude, eh?

     
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    Apr 8, 2012 7:10 AM   in reply to PYarnall

    I'm telling you, auto-tone works poorly because it's programmed to cinch up the highlights in the histogram every time, which is real world practice (contrary to common misconceptions) is not desirable much of the time, and often will produce horrible results. This is why it always overexposes!

     
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