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Cross dissolve not smooth in Premiere CS_5.5.2 ?!?

Apr 9, 2012 11:32 AM

Tags: #pro #premiere #cs5.5 #transition #cross_dissolve #not_smooth

It's look like transition begiin from 20% and ends with 80%. It's the same with MPE and without MPE enabled. That is transition that I need most, now I losing it .

I don't have any third party codecs installed.

Machine:

Win7 64bit

nVidia GTX 560

i7 2600k

8GB RAM

 
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    Apr 9, 2012 11:40 AM   in reply to mitrovichm

    Hi,

    First, I must ask the obvious......do you have tails on the outgoing and heads on the incoming clips?

     

    Pete

     
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    Apr 10, 2012 3:19 AM   in reply to mitrovichm

    Are these transitions single sides or double sided?

     
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    Aug 28, 2012 8:15 AM   in reply to mitrovichm

    Bumping this topic because I am having the same problem in CS6.  Was also having this in CS5.5 but didn't go away when I upgraded like I hoped.

     

    System...

    Matrox MX02 LE w/ Max

    nVidia Quadtro 3800

    Windows 7

    24G Ram

    All the latest drivers and updates.

     

    Encoding using Matrox AVI with MPEG2 iFrame codec @ 25 MB/s.  Using the DV NTSC Standard 48k Sequence Preset.

     

    As the OP mentioned, it appears as if cross dissolves are starting at 20% and finishing at 80% causing very harsh beginnings and ends of transitions.

     

    I'm also having problems where opacities in the titler don't match the output.  For example a drop shadow might be set at 50% opacity, but is barely visible in the preview monitor.  Another example was a had a circle with a radial gradient, the outside edge being at 0% opacity.  In the titler the circle blended nicely, but playing it on the timeline I could clearly see the outer edge of the circle and it was unusable.

     

    Anyone have a fix for this issue?

     
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    Aug 28, 2012 8:25 AM   in reply to FCGTV19

    The issues you're describing sound like the results of using Linear Light Processing, which is what you get with hardware acceleration turned on.

     

    The only 'fix' is to turn that off.

     
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    Aug 28, 2012 8:52 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Hi Scott,

     

    Do you have Premier updated to 6.0.1, and Matrox drivers current at 7.0.2? Nvidia driver current?

     

    I don't know if this will have any effect on your issue, but please try this info from Matrox release notes -

     

    To improve the brightness of live video windows (such as the live preview

    window in Matrox A/V Tools) on a system that has an NVIDIA display card,

    use your display card’s control panel to set the dynamic range for video to

    full. In the NVIDIA Control Panel under Video, select Adjust video color

    settings. In the displayed dialog box, select With the NVIDIA settings,

    click the Advanced tab, and from the Dynamic range list, select Full

    (0-255). Apply this setting to all the displays on which you preview video

    using Matrox software. (Ref# 56660)

     

    Thanks

     

    Jeff Pulera

    Safe Harbor Computers

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 5:35 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim: There's got to be another fix other than to turn off hardware acceleration.  I mean I'm not really supposed to cripple my CUDA card just to have smooth cross dissolves am I?  And if so how is this acceptable and why aren't more folks complaining?

     

    Jeff:  Yes, I'm using 6.0.1 and my drivers are up to date with the exception of being 1 update back on nVidia because the very latest 305.93 driver was crashing Premiere so I'm using 297.03.  I appreciate the tip on the Dynamic Range setting but unfortunately it didn't help.

     

    Thanks for the responses

    Scott

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 6:02 AM   in reply to FCGTV19

    There's one way to tell.  Turn off hardware acceleration and observe the results.  If they're more what you're looking for, then yes, turning it off will be the only 'fix'.  If the problem persists, then we can start looking for another explanation.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 6:12 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Turning off hardware acceleration did make the transistions smooth, but of course now the entire timeline needs rendering.  It's not exactly something that should be turned off in order to fix the default, most commonly used transistion in video editing.

     

    There HAS to be something else at play here.  There aren't many posts about this issue, and I can't believe that everyone else is accepting dissolves that pop on and off to use hardware acceleration.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 6:17 AM   in reply to FCGTV19

    Sorry but, what you're seeing is the Linear Light Processing that's used by default for hardware acceleration.  There's no way around it but to turn acceleration off.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 6:45 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim, is this something you experience on your system as well?  I assume you are using Adobe Premiere with a CUDA enabled video card.  What do your cross dissolves look like?  If they look smooth, what are you doing differently?

     

    Thanks again for your responses!

    Scott

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 7:02 AM   in reply to FCGTV19

    I prefer the Film Dissolve.  Sometimes I use the Adobe version, and sometimes I use a preset I created.

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1010578?tstart=60

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 7:39 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    It does the same thing with Film Dissolve though, as well as ramping the opacity setting in the clip itself.

     

    And there's the other, but related, issue of opacities in titler not matching.  As you can see in screenshot below, the green orb blends smoothly in the titler, buthas a hard edge on the timeline.  And it might be hard to see, but the drop shadow on the text is set at 10% opacity in the titler, but looks more like 50% on the timeline.

     

    So what am I doing wrong?  Do I need to learn a completely new way of editing if I want to use hardware acceleration?  I don't want to have to fire up AE for basic editing needs.

     

    Again, I truly appreciate your time in replying to my posts.  It's very helpful even though it's not what I want to hear so far

     

    Opacity Sample.jpg

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 8:19 AM   in reply to FCGTV19

    I have seen this too.

    With MPE hardware on Premiere does not handle gradients/alpha made in the titler at all.

     

    gradient.png

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 9:47 AM   in reply to FCGTV19

    Do I need to learn a completely new way of editing if I want to use hardware acceleration?

     

    Yup.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 9:55 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim Simon wrote:

     

    Do I need to learn a completely new way of editing if I want to use hardware acceleration?

     

    Yup.

    No, MPE hardware should work as it was designed for.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 10:05 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim Simon wrote:

     

    Do I need to learn a completely new way of editing if I want to use hardware acceleration?

     

    Yup.

    OK then, editing 101... How do I do a nice clean dissolve using hardware acceleration?

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 10:47 AM   in reply to FCGTV19

    The answer is probably: keyframe opacity. But that is why we have ready made transitions.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 11:26 AM   in reply to Ann Bens

    MPE hardware should work as it was designed for.

     

    It is working as designed.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 11:32 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Well its not working properbly, for several reasons one has to turn it off to go without issues.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 1:29 PM   in reply to mitrovichm

    mitrovichm wrote:

     

    This works for me. It' better now. I change in nVidia control panel  Full Dynamic Range(0-255). Maybe this whole thing was adjusting graphic card display driver. I need to know is this works in CS6.

    I came to reply to your post but you took out the part about Antialiasing - Transparancy

     

    Anyway, niether setting you mentioned fixed the problem for me, but thanks anyway.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 2:28 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim Simon wrote:

     

    MPE hardware should work as it was designed for.

     

    It is working as designed

    Technically you're probably right, but I agree with Ann.  It shouldn't break fundamental functions.  I know that sometimes there's some give an take, but we're talking the default transition here.

     

    I tried your Film Fade presets.  They definately help to minimize the abduptness and I can see why this isn't an issue for you if that's what you use.  The reason it works is all in the white/black levels, and it's a decent and stylish work-around.  It's opacity that is the problem.

     

    One key thing to point out is that the abrupt cross dissolves don't happen when it's just a single layer over nothing.  It's when you add a 2nd layer, even if it's over a Black Video clip, it becomes abrupt.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 3:48 PM   in reply to FCGTV19

    Whenever I want to still be able to edit using GPU accleration but want certain things to be smoother or appear with the correct levels of opacity I turn off GPU acceleration before exporting my project. I realize this will slow down export times quite a bit, but it will make your titles appear correctly. Plus you still get to edit without having to render to get instant previews.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 6:40 PM   in reply to mitrovichm

    Understandable, basically I was just offering the workaround that I use. Although I generally only worry about the opacity issue which when you switch modes is fixes the opacity issue 100 percent in my personal experience, since I don't use Premiere's built in cross dissolve much I haven't been bugged by that part personally.

     

    I do realize though that it stinks that it can't seem to just work as expceted to begin with.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 6:12 PM   in reply to Ann Bens

    Well its not working properly

     

    In what way?  Do you mean it's not working the way Adobe designed it to work, or the way you want it to work?  The former we can maybe fix, the latter needs a feature request and a whole lot of patience.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 6:14 PM   in reply to FCGTV19

    It's when you add a 2nd layer, even if it's over a Black Video clip

     

    Don't add anything over black.  Leave the space underneath empty.  The black exacerbates the issue.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 6:36 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    I'm fairly sure what Ann means is that it's not working in a desirable fashion in this specific instance. I do realize however that you're basically saying that it's working how it's designed to work.

    So basically I think what everyone is trying to say is that  it's not producing desirable results in this case. Which like you said is basically a feature request scenario, if indeed it's the rendering method

    that GPU acceleration causes.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 7:19 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim Simon wrote:

     

    The black exacerbates the issue.

    Exactly! Which is why I did it for testing purposes only.  Opacity over nothing, and opacity over a Black video clip should look idendical but it doesn't.  That Black Video clip could be anything else, and it looks bad.

     


    Jim Simon wrote:

     

    Well its not working properly

     

    In what way?  Do you mean it's not working the way Adobe designed it to work, or the way you want it to work?  The former we can maybe fix, the latter needs a feature request and a whole lot of patience.

    I would guess she means it's not working the way it always has in the past.  When you drag the default Cross Dissolve to the timeline, you expect it to work right and it doesn't.  When you have a drop shadow on a title, you expect it to look the same on the timeline as the way you designed it in the titler, and it doesn't.  It's blatenly obvious to me that this isn't intended by design, but a side affect of the MPE that needs to be fixed.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 7:28 PM   in reply to FCGTV19
    I would guess she means it's not working the way it always has in the past.

     

    Well, no it isn't.  But that really is by design.  Linear Light Processing was only added once hardware acceleration was added.  Software mode is no different that it's ever been.

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 8:25 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    I think the reason I didn't see more posts about this is I wasn't looking back far enough.  Here's a thread I found about this same issue from over a year and a half ago, and I guess the topic has already been discussed at length and everyone has lost hope?  I'm new to this era of MPE+GPU, just recently upgrading from CS1.

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/773441

     

    And Hey Jim, you are a participant in that thread saying things like "Hardware MPE messes up my titles to the point where I have simply turned it off.  Wasted $200 on a compatible card."  I see you experienced my same frustrations back then, but have learned to live with it and are now defending it.  I'm sure I'll learn to live with it too (doesn't look like I have much choice).  Do you still turn off Hardware MPE for titles?

     
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    Aug 30, 2012 9:17 PM   in reply to FCGTV19

    And Hey Jim, you are a participant in that thread saying things like "Hardware MPE messes up my titles to the point where I have simply turned it off.

     

    That is one of the problems with the Internet - the posts last almost forever, and what one said a year ago, can come back to haunt them later. That can be the good, the bad, and the ugly.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Aug 31, 2012 9:05 AM   in reply to FCGTV19

    have learned to live with it and are now defending it.

     

    The only thing I really had an issue with was titles, and I discovered that taking out the black clip underneath solved that.  They're fine over video.

     
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