I'd like to find out if there's something I have set incorrectly, either in AME or in the computer's settings. I regularly export videos from 1-4 hours in length. They are very basic (single camera, one layer, no effects, basically adding a title intro and outro screen to unedited interviews and lectures, and exporting for YouTube) The computer seems to take much longer than necessary to export these videos in AME (I'm currently waiting through a 4 hour video that has been encoding for 19 hours, with estimated 8 hours remaining) and it runs at 100% CPU usage while encoding.
Here are some details on my setup:
Computer: Dell Precision M6500 (mobile workstation)
Processor: Itel Core i7 CPU
RAM: 8 GB
OS: 64 bit running Windows 7
Free disc: 110GB of 284GB
This system was purchased by my employer for the sole purpose of editing and exporting video. Is this a competent setup? Its about a year old now, and seemed to be a bit quicker with the encoding/exporting when it was new.
Here's the details on the current project I'm waiting to encode/export:
- 4 hour video timeline (comprised of four 1-hour Quicktime MOV videos sequenced in a single layer/track timeline) each Quicktime video is under 500MB
- exporting H.264 Preset "YouTube HD" (VBR 1 pass, and all the following unchecked: render max depth, render max quality, use previews, use frame blending)
- exporting by "queue" with estimated file size 9624MB
The 1 hour files I received to put in my timeline are Quicktime this time, but I also receive AVCHD files, MPEGs, and other types, all with equally long encode/export times)
Any suggestions or ideas will help....if nothing else to pass the time while I wait for this export!! Thanks
your PC is great. Don't change a thing.
1: Render Max Depth changes the rendering (ie the video manipulation before it gets encoded) from 8bit integers (eg 0...255) to 32bit Floating Point (eg 1.23456789).
Floating Point manipulation (math,logic,comparisons) takes A LOT longer than Integer manipulation.
So right there you are probably taking a 400% hit to your render time.
2: Render Max Quality makes it a little slower but not much so leave this on.
3: Use Previews likewise, leave it on.
4: Frame Blending - ouch. interframe blending is slow... Only turn this on if your sequence isn't at the same framerate as the export frame rate. <<< post why you have it on otherwise and we can discuss merit and alternatives.
I assume your sequence dimensions are not the same as the YouTube HD output dimensions. If that's the case make sure you export the Sequence rather than exporting to an intermediate file and then in Adobe Media Encoder (AME) opening it as a File. If you Queue the sequence the Resize of the frame will be done on the GPU via the "Mercury Playback Engine (MPE)" - which is just a fancy way of saying that some of the most used plugins, including Re-size, & Fast Color Corrector, have been implemented as plugins that can run on the nVidia video card in parallel with the Intel i7 doing other stuff. Only Queued Sequences can use PPro's MPE so if you open the video for transcode the Intel i7 has to do the re-size too (which is compupationally intensive).
In summary, the Max Depth is your biggest time hog. Since the target is YouTube (which is YUV420 8bit anyhow) you are wasting encode time for no net gain.
THANKS for the repy!
Sorry if I confused ya, but as I stated before: all of those are UNchecked! (1, 2, 3, and 4)
I do believe the sequence dimensions are the same as the YouTube HD dimensions, athough I may be wrong. I simply "export" the sequence, choose YouTube HD and confirm all of the afformentioned things are UNchecked, and then "queue" to encode/export.
Run Task Manager and then on the Performance tab click on the "Resource Monitor".
Click the check boxes to select "Adobe Media Encoder" and the "PPro Headless" (if it's there) and report back with screen shots of the CPU tab & DISK tab. The "Disk Queue Length" will be your biggest tell all as to whether you're single hard disk speed bound. If that's at 0 or 1 then something else is the hog.
Thanks very much for the input! Any and all ideas are greatly appreciated!
Bill - so you are saying I need 3 disc drives to operate Premiere? My computer actually worked very well initially with its single HD, but I'm lloking into adding HD.
As for RAM, Adobe said minimum is 1 or 2 GB, but recommended 4. So having 8GB is double that! Are you saying that you need 12 times the minimum to run this software normally?
The GPU is NVIDIA Quadro FX 2800M - the Mercury option is greyed out in Premiere, so I can't choose it to change it from "software only" Does this NVIDIA card not work with Mercury?
As for excess junk on the computer, the amount of material on there is constantly changing. Just depends on whether I'm on location or back at my office. The only software I have on it is things I use (mostly Microsoft Office apps and Adobe suite apps)
Rallymax - I'll try to run Task Manager again while I export video next time. The CPU was running near 100% usgae while encoding before, but I didnt take note of "Disk Que Length"
What seemed to be happening was that the system would start up a long encoding project, and shortly after starting, it would bog down and start adding hours to the remaining time. I talked with Dell, and they had me run RealTemp and check the Dell diagnositcs Thermal Control Panel. The computer was running very hot, and they sent out a tech to replace the fans and heatsink. The computer, while only a year old, had taken on tons of dust, and the tech cleaned out cotton ball sized dustballs. He then replaced the fans/heatsink, and the system has been running much smoother ever since. I guess the system was starting fine, then overheating, and running slow for the duration of the encoding process as a result. Any ideas for a good small office air purifier/dust remover? The tech said this is a common problem, and nothing can be done about it.
Along the way, I did manage to convince my workplace to pick up 16 more GB of RAM for me, which now brings me to 24GB total. If anyone knows how I can get the Mercury business working let me know. And thanks again for your help!
A single disk is fine. I do it all the time. It's not RAID but it's not the bottleneck most the time - the cpu is doing fancy effects. Now having said that, my temporary folder is on my SSD c:\ and the assets are pulls from and saved to my 2Tb SATA. So all the temp stuff is on/off of Solid State Disk so it's 10x faster than a single SATA drive.
I don't condone this but here is a step by step to add pretty much any nVidia card. The FX 2800M has CUDA so it should work.
Ah... temp.. yes the CPU will automatically down clock if it gets too hot. that DEFINITELY explains why the estimate started to ramp upwards.
I have 8GB. it's definitely better than 4GB for AVCHD editing. For is always going to help but is not necessary.
Use the Resource Monitor as I previously said; it'll tell you whether the CPU, GPU, MEMORY or DISK is the bottleneck.
(If you have "hard faults" in memory you don't have enough ram.)
You might want to visit our Premiere Pro Bench Mark (PPBM5) site for real information on over 800 systems for you to explore Make sure the first thing you do is select either version from the tabs on top because there is significant difference between the two primarily on the MPEG2-DVD scoring because of a change that Adobe made when CS5.5 came out.. I am assuming that you have either CS5 or CS5.5.
Definitely add the FX 2800M to your "cuda_supported_cards.txt" file but since it only has 96 CUDA cores it will not help a lot.
How many processes show up in the Process Tab of Task Manager when you check "..show all" (without Premiere running)?
Quick time is always a problem because it is only a 32-bit application and Adobe is 64-bit and there is a lot of overhead going between the two
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