I'm building a new Premiere Pro System and I haven't kept up
with hardware & specs so I'm looking for educated input as to
the pros & Cons of the following parts list.
I'm a profesional graphic artist using CS5.5, CorelDraw and a little blender
and shooting industral/training videos a day a week and a band video every
few months so i'm trying to build a capable machine without breaking the bank.
I'm really looking for feedback on part/software incompatibilities and
mismatches, thank you inadvance ~ pete
CPU: Intel Core i7 2600
MBd: Gigabyte Z68X-UD3-D3
RAM: 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3-1333
SSD: Intel 520 Series 120GB
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570
Case: Fractal ARC Mid USB3
PSU: Antec High Current620W
OS : Windows 7 OEM Home
HD: Barracuda 2TB 6Gbs 7200RPM
DVD: SATA Blu-Ray
I/O : blackmagic intensity pro
+ 2 Computer Monitors
+ 1 HDMI Monitor
The first things I see is to get more than 2 HDD,
Possibly a stronger PSU and read Harm Millards articles about Hardware.
Also you will get more and better response if this thread gets moved to
the Hardware - Forum, where the really smart hardware specialists hang out ;-)
Well, someone moved the thread... and some information on building
and Build http://forums.adobe.com/thread/947698
more build ideas http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html
http://www.shawnlam.ca/2012/premiere-pro-cs6-video-editing-computer-bu ild/
This message has a really good graphic about requirements
CS5 Requirements http://forums.adobe.com/thread/810750
Build it Yourself http://forums.adobe.com/thread/815798
About Requirements http://forums.adobe.com/thread/618058
Disk Configurations http://forums.adobe.com/thread/878419
I would like to chime in with this:
1) I would recommend a 750W or 850W 80-Plus Gold or Platinum rated PSU for that build. Why? Although the PSU you're considering, a 620W 80-Plus Bronze rated PSU, is adequate for that build, the PSU would be running at 80 to 90 percent of its maximum rated output for much of the time during renders and encodes. This would probably not reduce the life of that PSU (since the Antec HCG 620W and lower in that same series are based on Seasonic internals), but it would likely drive up the total operating cost of that system by a few dollars, especially since PSUs are less efficient at 90 percent of maximum capacity than at 70 percent.
2) The case that you're considering is adequate, but a larger case is better.
3) Is the i7-2600 CPU a "K" CPU or a non-"K"? You see, the non-"K" CPUs are only limited overclockable (only up to 500MHz above their stock frequencies with all four cores in use). This means that you'd be limited to only 3.9GHz out of the non-K i7-2600 while i7-2600Ks can easily reach 4.5 to 4.6GHz with a good aftermarket air cooler.
4) Don't get the plain GA-Z68X-UD3 since it is obsolete: It is a Z68 with most of the added features of that chipset permanently disabled by the motherboard manufacturer, making it essentially a P67 with SRT added. Besides, it is no longer available. Two other boards in that same series, the GA-Z68XP-UD3 and the GA-Z68X-UD3H, are still available - and the latest PCB revisions of those two boards are PCI-e 3.0 ready with an Ivy Bridge (i7-3770(K)) CPU installed. The difference between the GA-Z68XP-UD3 and the GA-Z68X-UD3H is the addition of onboard DVI-D and D-Sub ports on the latter (the GA-Z68XP-UD3 has only HDMI for its video out).
1) I would recommend a 750W or 850W 80-Plus Gold or Platinum rated PSU for that build.
Point totally taken consider it done.
2) The case that you're considering is adequate, but a larger case is better.
I haven't been physically to the computer stores to really investigate the cases
so this may well change, i'd like something with easily swapable drive bays
for expansion & RAID later on.
3) Is the i7-2600 CPU a "K" CPU or a non-"K"?
I've never been a fan of overclocking, on machines that I make my living from!
besides in most cases I'm getting paid by the hour ![]()
4) Don't get the plain GA-Z68X-UD3 since it is obsolete: GA-Z68XP-UD3 with an Ivy Bridge
Thank you for this advice the is exactly the sort of information I'm looking for RE upgrade path
After your suggestion I've gone and looked and some of the new m/boards have a SSD as pageing ram
do you know if this would help?
I thank you both for your input, once you've droped out of the "hardware/build" loop i't hard to know which way to go ~ pete
My video is Canon 60D shooting 1080p @ 25fps H.264 mainly industrial/training videos a day a week and a band video every
few months. I'm hoping that the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 & Blackmagic intensity pro will take most of the load.
My main reason for not being keen on the over clocking is reliability and longevity, I will most likely be running 16-18h p/day,
6 days a week in an ambent temps of up to 36C (semi-tropical) so inside the box could get quite warm and as graphics is
my only sourse of income I need it to work reliabily ~ pete
Peter FitzGerald
BlueCrystal Creative
Skype: bluecrystalcreative
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Be sure you have LOTS of case fans!
Large 120mm fans generally run slower than 80mm fans, so are not as loud
Even if you are not going to overclock, get an aftermarket CPU cooler to replace the Intel one
Different hardware, but there is a link to what I built in http://forums.adobe.com/thread/652694
I also do not overclock, but bought a 2 fan CPU cooler "just because" to keep my CPU cool to last longer
Yeah lots of fans, push/pull fans on the cpu cooler or liquid cooling.
And sorry to bother again.. You want OC for sure with your Canon files, they are highly compressed and decoding while editing/scrubbing etc is a ''CPU only'' task no matter what Gpu or other set up you have.
Don't worry about reliability the last cpu's like sandy bridge or ivy bridge are very economical (wattage use) and so less heat..
Maybe its like your car:
35 yrs ago the Mercedes diesel of my grandfather had 6 cil, 3000 cc, 50 horsepower and last for 200.000 kilometers, my 7 yrs old Opel Turbo diesel (GM) has 4 cil, 1700 cc, 75 hp and will do (I hope mine will) 300.000 km (the new model of my closed van is an Opel / Fiat turbo diesel with 1300cc and over 95 hp
I'm not computer tech freak but because of the same worries you have I spend a lot of time on the OC-ing matter I found some convincing opinions from the OC freaks and the OC for dummies guides: in general they say:
OC is now very common for high end use,
If reliable after 24 hours testing, its reliable,
Less lifespan of the cpu is theoretical, like: non OC more then 10yrs, with maximum reliable OC more then 5 yrs
(who does editing for a living on a over 5 yrs old machine?)
The ''K'' version is a few bucks more but you have a choice!
Won't start again, good luck with business!
I thank you all for your input, it's all welcome and concidered, some of the RAID/extra harddisk options
are only beig rejected because of budget but are to be in my first round of upgrades. The advice reguarding
the powersupply will definitely be taken.
I will be getting real quotes on monday and hopfuly ordering in the first half of this week
I will keep you informed as to my progress ~ pete
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Peter FitzGerald
BlueCrystal Creative
Skype: bluecrystalcreative
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| SIGNS | PRINT | DESIGN | FLAGS | WEB | AUDIO | MUSIC |
Website |> www.bluecrystalcreative.com/
My Book |> The Instant Advertising Manager - ABC Online Books
My Band |> www.karthartic.com/
When you say your getting quotes, what are those quotes for ?
Are you building the computer yourself or having it built ?
If your having it built the guys from ADK are here allot and really know systems for Premiere.
GLenn
Had a look, good gear but one small issue I'm in Australia,
So the freight & after sales support might suffer,
Thanks for the thought though ~ Pete
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Peter FitzGerald
BlueCrystal Creative
____________________________________________________
| SIGNS | PRINT | DESIGN | FLAGS | WEB | AUDIO | MUSIC |
Website |> www.bluecrystalcreative.com/
My Book |> The Instant Advertising Manager - ABC Online Books
My Band |> www.karthartic.com/
Firstly, I'd like to thank you all for your input and advice
Secondly, I've placed my order (as follows) and should
recive Late Thurs/Friday
CPU: Intel Core i7 2600 3.4GHz Quad Core
MB: Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 SATA3 USB3.0
RAM: Kingston 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3-1333
SSD: Intel 520 Series 120GB
HDD: Seagate 2TB SATA3 64M 7200RPM
DVD: SATA Blu-Ray Burner
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.28G
Case: Thermaltake V4 Midi Tower USB3.0
PSU: Thermaltake ToughPower 875W
OS : Windows 7 OEM Home Premium 64bit
I/O : Hi Speed internal CF Card reader
I/O : blackmagic intensity pro
+
|- 2 x 24" Computer Monitors
|- 2 x 24" HDMI Video Monitor
As you can see this is a NOT a perfect system,
but it's one that I can afford at this stage and looking
forward I imagine that the first order of expansion will be
(1) A slow external 3TB backup drive ($250-$300)
(2) RAID Card Adaptec 2255900-R SATA RAID Controller ($65)
(3) A second Seagate 2TB SATA3 64M 7200RPM ($130)
* Move all data to the back up drive then
RAID the data as a striped pair.
* I'll Image the SSD boot disk to a small partition as well.
* The only software installed CS master, CorelDraw & Blender
I'd like to thank you all for your input and I'll come back
in a week or so and review the outcome ~ Pete
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Peter FitzGerald
BlueCrystal Creative
Skype: bluecrystalcreative
___________________________________________________________
| SIGNS | PRINT | DESIGN | FLAGS | WEB | AUDIO | MUSIC |
Website |> www.bluecrystalcreative.com/
My Book |> The Instant Advertising Manager - ABC Online Books
My Band |> www.karthartic.com/
Not a bad combo, Pete. However, the choice of Windows 7 Home Premium is questionable since it limits the supported amount of RAM to only 16GB total (the amount that's already included in that build). You will need Windows 7 Pro if you ever want to expand the amount of RAM above the already included 16GB (Windows 7 Home Premium can run on a system with more than 16GB of RAM - but only the first 16GB will be addressed.).
USER REPORT
OK so it's been a month, I just thought I'd come back and tell you how the system functions,
over all I'm very happy and It's producing some income, the ocasional crash but mostly OK
- Smaller projects 3-5min web promo video it works perfectly (3-5min, 1080p HD, 3-5 Video, 4-6 audio Channels)
- Mid projects 20min Band promo videos 4 songs+interviews, it works with a little render time
(21min, 1080p HD, 18 Video * 4 passes 1x60D 2x550D, 2 audio Channels, + cut-a-ways & interview)
- Larger Project 35min Industrial training video. The project started as a 10min training video, but. . .
the project just kept getting larger and larger, the client lives very close and could drop in anytime,
sometimes a few times a day and would ask could we just put this in, and that etc. (I was on a p/day rate so OK).
(35min, 1080p HD, 1 Video (canon 60D), 6 audio Channels(h4n + radio lavs), 300+ supers, 3 x anamations & bluescreen, ADR)
The main issue, in one section I made the mistake of doing the photos & infographics at 2 x the resolution of the project
(3840x2160px) to keep the quality up it would preview OK but when it came to final render prem/pro would crash
so I had to reduce them down to work OK. It took me two days to work that out!
Points I'm working on
- I'm still working on a way to get and keep a consistent audio level/tone on projects that are shot over months with different mic's. any thoughs?
- The AGC on the 60D really adds noise to the radio mics, so now I'm using a zoom h4n and will try the Magic Lantern firmware hack.
- The video video compression on the 60D ads noise and makes green & bluescreen a little harder than it needs to be.
- I would love a spell checker in the titles generator
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