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MKV and Adobe Revisited

Apr 25, 2012 9:44 AM

All of this comes down to the fact that Adobe is a very oldfashioned company who simply refuses to support Matroska even though everyone knows it's the best video container out there.

 

But if you insist on using PrPro instead of a free tool, you gotta work around this issue. No reason to blame your brother. He is just using the best end user container format for lossless video there is. MP4 is primitive in comparison, and any other format is even worse due to all too many content restrictions and technical limitations.

 

Here's a workaround:

Use the freeware tool Avidemux to extract the H.264 AVC video stream from the MKV container.

Hopefully Premiere Pro will let you import that H.264 video file. Edit it and export it as a video stream again afterwards.

Then remux the H.264 stream with MKVmerge (also free). Open the original MKV file in MKVmerge and replace the old video stream with your edited version.

That way you may be able to preserve the advanced indexing and multiple audio+subtitle tracks in the Matroska file.

 

Good luck.

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    Apr 25, 2012 8:29 AM   in reply to EuroSiti
    All of this comes down to the fact that Adobe is a very oldfashioned company who simply refuses to support Matroska even though everyone knows it's the best video container out there.

     

    Oh, no...not this again.

     
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    Apr 25, 2012 9:08 AM   in reply to EuroSiti

    You are absolutely correct. But the same applies to:

     

    1. Microsoft, if you need Linux support, don't look at Microsoft,

    2. Apple, if you need Linux support, don't look at Apple.

    3. Android, if you need anything else, don't look at Android.

    4. Word, if you need Autodesk support, don't look at Word.

    5. etc.

    6. etc.

     

    Matroska is a very weird format that is only popular among GPL people, not pro's. You are better off looking elsewhere for a different program if you don't like it.

     

    but then I suppose Matroska still has something to offer to a very restricted group of users that don't belong here.

     
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    Apr 25, 2012 9:47 AM   in reply to EuroSiti

    Branched off-topic posts to a new discussion, and moved it to the Lounge since it does not involve technical support issues for Premiere Pro CS5, CS5.5 or CS6.

     

    Jeff

     
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    Apr 25, 2012 10:00 AM   in reply to EuroSiti

    Add me to the "very few people" who do not use GPL products

     

    I have to agree with Harm... since Matroska is GPL, use a GPL product for editing

     
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    Apr 25, 2012 12:07 PM   in reply to EuroSiti

    I work with all kinds of clients, all types of media, editing in what at least seems like a never-ending 24/7 turn cycle and yet...not once have I ever even SEEN an MKV file. Not saying it's bad (I'd be the last to know) but I know that out of the 2 dozen different video and audio formats I work with all the time, MKV has never come up even once. In fact, I think I've seen now maybe 2 or 3 users total even request this format support.

     

    I guarantee you, if this was a feature Premiere Pro editors were all asking for, Adobe would figure out how to support it ASAP. So what does the lack of support tell you? Obviously it's not an Adobe hog-the-road thing, or else all we'd get to export is Flash video (not WMV, MOV, P2, MP4, etc....all of these are formats not owned by Adobe yet used by thousands of editors).

     

    Good luck, start a petition, I'd be curious how many other editors do want this feature in Premiere Pro. If it's something hundreds or thousands of other users want, who am I to say no?

     
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    Apr 25, 2012 1:10 PM   in reply to EuroSiti

    If it's the best, then sure, I wish I had access to it. However, smaller isn't always better. That's why a lot of Hollywood producers deliver RED or ARRI RAW files to their post facility. Any producer would probably be laughed right off the set if he said "alrighty, here are those MKV files. Everybody take five!"

     

    As a delivery format, maybe MKV is better (again, I'm not the source of knowledge here) but it's one thing to suggest that Premiere Pro ought to be able to export fully functional MKV files where the smallest file sizes at the best quality would be ideal. For actually importing/editing, MKV must not be the best, or else Panasonic would stop paying to license MPEG-4/H.264 and use x264 instead, since it's free and better than AVCHD.

     

    So you tell me, what's the hold up? If it's free, requires no licensing, and is the best MPEG-4 -ish format you can get then why isn't everybody using it? Or if not everybody, at least a bunch of people? Or if not even a bunch, why not at least professional editors on Avid, Adobe and Apple systems?

     

    That's your question...answer it and maybe we'll all understand the situation a bit better.    

     
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    Apr 25, 2012 1:50 PM   in reply to EuroSiti

    I do use GPL products from time to time, one of my favorites being the Audacity audio editor. My $0.02 in regards to this subject is that it would not be in Adobe's best interests to support a GPL wrapper because GPL can and does change so quickly and easily and it's not tied to one particular company dealing with releases. As such, the work Adobe would have to do to continue to offer support as the GPL software changed has potential to be enormous. In my mind, there are far better things for Adobe to spend their time doing, many of which they've done in CS6...

     
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    Aug 11, 2012 4:38 PM   in reply to EuroSiti

    MKV gained a huge popularity in the end user range and I have to say if Premiere supports MP4 containers then I don't see why it shouldn't support MKV. MKV offers a great flexibillity and has nearly no restrictions regarding the codecs used inside the container. Actually nothing speaks against MKV for professional usage at all. Its more powerfull then MOV and AVI regarding futures and flexibillity.

    And yes Adobe is quite old fashioned when it comes to open source software even though many open source audio and video codecs surpasses the commercial codecs. LAME for example is the technically the best and most advanced MP3 codec out there but Adobe still stick to the Fraunhofer codec which hasn't been furhter developed for years now.Then there is FLAC which is finally supported in Audition but not in Premiere and After Effects. There is no need to use WAV if we have can have FLAC.
    ALAC and co. is no comparison to FLAC at all. WAV->FLAC->WAV gives you the same MD5 checksum for input and output.Then we have x264 and XVID on the video side, both are codecs that got developed for years, extensivley on a daily basis by coder teams with an extensive knowledge at what they do. Both codecs surpassed their commercial versions at a point because the commercial codec doesn't get developed that extensivley.The same with MKV.

     
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    Aug 11, 2012 11:15 PM   in reply to Malroy82

    Actually nothing speaks against MKV for professional usage at all.

     

    No one here has even spoken again the container's capabilities, only it's market share.  And in the world of professional video, it just isn't used much at all for anything, source or delivery.

     
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    Aug 12, 2012 11:09 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Well you can say the same about R3D files when the camera came out. It's all about software support, if professional software like Adobe Premiere and After Effects would start to support it it would definiteley look diffrent.
    It's not entirely true that MKV isn't used very often as a delivery format. The "scene" which is bringing all the copied movies into the internet is using only MKV for HD encodes. Yes this not a very honorable and nice thing to have but just like the porn industry has a huge influence on optical mediums the illegal movie scene has a huge influence on what formats the end user is using/getting/wanting. Specially the media player, all the standard media players like VLC are supporting MKV for a long time now, I say it's one of the reasons why open source media player like VLC and Media Player Classic gained such a huge user base.

     
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    Aug 12, 2012 3:07 PM   in reply to Malroy82

    if professional software like Adobe Premiere and After Effects would start to support it it would definitely look different.

     

    You've got it backwards.  Adobe supported R3D because professionals were using it for acquisition.

     

    If you want Adobe to support MKV editing, then you need to get camera makers to start using it.  (An unlikely scenario.)

     

    If you want Adobe to support MKV for delivery, then you need to get broadcasters to start using it (another unlikely scenario).

     


    It's not entirely true that MKV isn't used very often as a delivery format.

     

    True, but the vast majority of those using it for 'delivery' are teenage boys illegally sharing the DVD, Blu-ray and TV rips.  Why on earth would Adobe cater to that market?

     
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    Aug 12, 2012 4:44 PM   in reply to EuroSiti

    This discussion is stuck in an infinite loop.  Nothing good can come of letting it continue.  Thread locked.

     
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