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PSE10 & ACR: A Basic Question

Apr 25, 2012 10:26 AM

I have been using PSE8 because of the full-featured version of ACR (v. 5.7 hosted by Adobe Bridge; not the version hosted by PSE8) for several years. To my dismay, this version of ACR does not support RAW files from Canon's 60D camera. Since I have been experiencing trouble using Adobe's DNG Converter, I am considering upgrading to PSE10.

 

Question: Does PSE10 contain the full-featured version of ACR or just the abbreviated version?

 

Thank you kindly.

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  • dj_paige
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    1. dj_paige,
    Apr 25, 2012 11:38 AM   in reply to kitjv
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    In Photoshop Elements, many functions in ACR are not available. PSE10 is not different in this respect.

     
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  • kitjv
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    Apr 25, 2012 12:15 PM   in reply to dj_paige
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    I was afraid that might be the case. Maybe PSE8 was the exception with its CS4-version of ACR.

     
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  • Brett N
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    3. Brett N,
    Apr 25, 2012 1:45 PM   in reply to kitjv
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    Photoshop Elements 8 should not have been any different, even if you were using it through Bridge. The Bridge that came with Photoshop Elements on Mac before we released 9 with the Organizer, was always a feature reduced version. You should have seen the same in ACR. However, we have seen "glitches" in the past that somehow circumvented the intended behavior (maybe you had a CS4 product installed at some point?). So, in this case there is no way to "fix" the behavior, as it is working as intended. It was actually your PSE8 that wasn't working right.

     
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  • kitjv
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    Apr 25, 2012 2:41 PM   in reply to Brett N
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    Brett,

     

    My copy of PSE8 has 2 versions of ACR: the abridged version hosted by PSE  & the version hosted by Bridge. The Bridge version includes the tone curve, detail, HSL/grayscale, split toning, lens correction panels, etc. As I recall, Barabara Brundage even mentioned this in her Missing Manual book "Photoshop Elements 8 for Mac".

     

    No, I have never owned a CS4 product.

     
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  • Brett N
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    Apr 25, 2012 2:47 PM   in reply to kitjv
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    Photoshop Elements and Bridge should be using the exact same file for the version of Camera Raw. If you have two distinct versions, something is installed incorrectly, which at least partially explains the source of the glitch.

     
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  • kitjv
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    6. kitjv,
    Apr 25, 2012 3:25 PM   in reply to Brett N
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    Brett,

     

    I have no reason to doubt you. However, I don't know how I could have installed PSE8 incorrectly years ago. It wasn't until a few weeks after installation that I was reading Brundage's book where she has a sidebar titled "Hidden Feature Alert: Editing Raw Files in Bridge". This is the CS4 version. To access it, I Control-click on a thumbnail in Bridge & choose "Open in Camera Raw". Bingo.

     
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    Apr 25, 2012 4:32 PM   in reply to kitjv
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    Editing Raw files in Bridge isn't really a hidden feature. But it should still have opened the files in the same limited version of Camera Raw that Elements uses and not behaved any differently. As I mentioned before, the copy of Bridge that comes with Elements is also limited when compared to the Bridge that comes with the pro products. It sounds like this book was written under a misunderstanding, the author encountered the same glitch and thought this was some secret that could be exploited. Reports of this glitch were quite common.

     
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  • R_Kelly
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    Apr 25, 2012 7:04 PM   in reply to Brett N
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    I think it's probably one of those things that was overlooked, whether by mistake or on purpose, i cannot say, but 100's if not thousands of people have the same "glitch" using pse 8 on macs.

    Examples of some other "overlooked" functions in various versions of elements

     

    Photoshop elements 1 has an easy workaround for getting a layer mask

     

    Photoshop elements 2 has a full brushes palette just like photoshop 7

     

    Photoshop elements 3 has the Select>Color Range command

     

    Photoshop elements 4 has Smart objects

     

    Photoshop elements 5 has Lab mode

     

    Photoshop elements 6 has an editable black and white adjustment layer

     

    These are just a few of many functions in elements that aren't "supposed" to be there.

     

    I should add that most of the above require an action from photoshop to enable them, but they are there.

     
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  • photodrawken
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    Apr 25, 2012 7:08 PM   in reply to R_Kelly
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    It seems that there are "glitches" that Brett mentioned, and then there are functions that can be accessed by actions, or by scripts like the one I just posted or by the Elements+ add-in.

     

    Ken

     
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  • kitjv
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    10. kitjv,
    Apr 25, 2012 7:55 PM   in reply to photodrawken
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    Be it as it may (glitch or not), I have the full-featured CS4-version of ACR embedded in PSE8 right in front of me.  So it would rather difficult to convince me otherwise.

     

    Anyway, thank you answering my original post regarding PSE10. I truly appreciate it.

     
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  • photodrawken
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    Apr 25, 2012 8:00 PM   in reply to kitjv
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    kitjv wrote:

     

    Be it as it may (glitch or not), I have the full-featured CS4-version of ACR embedded in PSE8 right in front of me.

    I'd suggest buying a Lottery ticket before your luck runs out!

     

    Ken

     
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