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Not a Master Collection any longer

May 3, 2012 11:27 PM

I was looking to move from Design Premium up to the Master Collection to enable the use of all Major Adobe Design Apps. But the cost of subscribing just to get Muse makes this rather pointless.

 

The whole Master Collection now seems a waste of money if you want to use Muse?

 

Will the Master Collection actually live up to its name in the future or should it be renamed < The Master Collection?

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  • Bob Levine
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    1. Bob Levine,
    May 4, 2012 5:29 AM   in reply to Paul_Taylor
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    Muse is not, and never was, a part of the Master Collection.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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  • Paul_Taylor
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    2. Paul_Taylor,
    May 4, 2012 5:53 AM   in reply to Bob Levine
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    I appreciate that.

     

    But for me, a Master collection is indded that.  If it doesnt have all the tools then, it is in effect not a 'master collection'.

     

    As stated, keeping other useful developer tools outside the Master Collectionand making them subscription only (to me) makes the MasterSuite updrade a little pointelss and certainly not very user centric.

     

    Adobe seem to be happy to rename and adjust the colections at will - it doesnt give me great confidence commiting to any one product.

     

    Bottom line - I'd like to see all the tools currently in the 'Cloud' in the 'Master Collection'

     
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  • Steve Werner
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    3. Steve Werner,
    May 4, 2012 5:57 AM   in reply to Paul_Taylor
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    Bottom line - I'd like to see all the tools currently in the 'Cloud' in the 'Master Collection'

    From what I've heard about Adobe's plans for the Creative Cloud that is not in the cards.

     
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  • Bob Levine
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    4. Bob Levine,
    May 4, 2012 6:18 AM   in reply to Paul_Taylor
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    Adobe is making it pretty easy to see where they want things to go, and that’s to subscription.

     

     

     

    It enables faster updates, additional features to applications, and for the bean counters, a reliable constant cash flow.

     

     

     

    The pricing is certainly compelling and the extras -- Muse, Edge, and DPS Single Edition apps—are icing on the cake.

     

     

     

    You’re certainly entitled to talk with your wallet but $29.99/month (first year) is pretty reasonable. Pretty hard to argue with $49.99 either.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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  • Paul_Taylor
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    5. Paul_Taylor,
    May 4, 2012 7:03 AM   in reply to Bob Levine
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    There good and bad

     

    If you buy your poducts - at the end of the year you still own them

    at the end of 2 years its the same

     

    If you go subscription - you have no choice but to pay Adobe to use the products and all the cash invested in previous upgrades is worthless

     

    Ceratinly can see the advantages - its just the semantics of a Master Suite - that basicaslly isn't.

     
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  • Bob Levine
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    6. Bob Levine,
    May 4, 2012 7:14 AM   in reply to Paul_Taylor
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    Worthless? How so?

     

     

     

    If you pay the $600 a year you get to keep the old version and you get the new as well.

     

     

     

    Yes, you have to keep paying, but this is for those that would be upgrading anyway.

     

     

     

    For those that think about skipping a version, forget it. After the end of this year upgrade pricing will be limited to one version back only. IOW on CS6 users will be able to upgrade to CS7.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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  • Bubba5000
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    7. Bubba5000,
    May 12, 2013 9:29 AM   in reply to Bob Levine
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    Hi Bob and everyone else,
    I have been a CS Master Collection owner since it came out as I was buying two suites. I like the savings but am now annoyed that I don't get access to things like Adobe Edge.

    If you run the numbers in the long run you are spending considerably more for the cloud verison than the hard version. I pre-order and I would think that the true MC users are Adobe's super users. It is a real shame they are throwing us under the bus.

    Re: Muse that is a work in progress and while it works (kind of) it produces really sloppy code and has to be cleaned up.

    If any one has any insights on a path for those of us who use the entire array it would be helpful.

    Has anyone actually downloaded the entire product line? I calculated it might be a 12+ hour download (here in the US).

    Thanks!
    Bruce

     
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  • Bob Levine
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    8. Bob Levine,
    May 12, 2013 9:44 AM   in reply to Bubba5000
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    I don't think you're being thrown under a bus at all. I've just put the finishing touches on a blog post about all this and it will be published tomorrow morning. If you're interested it will be on my blog, www.boblevine.us

     

    For CS6 license holder such as yourself the first year of Creative Cloud is only $19.99/month for the first year. Surely worth the "gamble." You're CS6 license remains yours in perpetuity.

     

    As for download time, the installation process via Creative Cloud is very simple and you can pick and choose your apps any time. The speed of course will depend on your internet connection. I'm kind of spoiled in that regard with an 85/35 connection.

     

    Bob

     
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  • Bubba5000
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    9. Bubba5000,
    May 12, 2013 11:21 AM   in reply to Bob Levine
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    Hi Bob,
    Thanks for the quick follow up.
    I am in North Carolina and don't have such a fast connection (life in the mountains..) That being said I regularly use every progam weekly except Speed Grade and PreLude (maybe 2 times monthly) so for me I get the whole deal.
    Plus I keep a copy on my laptop. My Master Collection lic. allows that; does the cloud version?
    I am still concerned about the long term cost/benefit. Now I depreciate software and with a "lease" program I would just expense it, but at ~$600 for the life of each version with Adobe's 18 month cycle it does not work out at $49 monthly. If they raise it then the whole thing becomes questionable.
    I get that this really puts the whole delivery train on the consumer and has a huge cost savings for Adobe.

     

    take care, Bruce

     
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  • Bob Levine
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    10. Bob Levine,
    May 12, 2013 11:30 AM   in reply to Bubba5000
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    CC is actually easier to manage than the perpetual license. And one of the real nice things is that the two concurrent activations can be Mac and Windows. And the upgrade cycle changed to 12 months two years ago while removing the ability to get upgrade pricing unless you had the most current version.

     

    Look, please understand I'm not trying to talk anyone into anything but there's a lot of lies and misinformation floating around out there. If you don't want to move to it, that is certainly your right. I just think it's best to make that decision for the right reasons.

     

    Finally, Adobe killed boxed software versions a little while back so you can't even use that as a reason, either.

     

    Bob

     
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  • Bubba5000
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    11. Bubba5000,
    May 12, 2013 11:48 AM   in reply to Bob Levine
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    Thanks for the information. I have been on the fence. I guess i must have one of the last box sets of the CS6 Master Collection. I have been upgradinging since that became available and preorder. I taught the Adobe line for many years and am aware of the good and not so good. You are correct there is much mis-information. I remember how excited everyone was when we got layers.
    There is a whole LinkedIn conversation going on which lead me to check in here. I am going to post this thread there.
    The only real issue is for the person or business who does not upgrade every cycle, they will lose out in the long run, but then are they really the users Adobe wants; maybe not.
    I do have a .gov client that cannot use the cloud yet so this is a sticking pont in some areas for now.
    Bruce
     
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  • Bob Levine
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    12. Bob Levine,
    May 12, 2013 11:57 AM   in reply to Bubba5000
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    http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html

     

    Scroll down to the end for info on gov't plans.

     

    Bob

     
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  • Bubba5000
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    13. Bubba5000,
    May 12, 2013 12:45 PM   in reply to Bob Levine
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    Bob, Thanks for your help. I sent the link to my contact there.
    best,
    Bruce

     
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