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Indesign CS5 pdf switching layers on 2nd page?

May 4, 2012 9:29 AM

Hi all,

 

Using CS5.5 with patch 7_5_2 on a mac.

 

This doesn't happen on the first page!

Elements on layer 1 in my Indesign master page have moved to layer 2 in my exported pdf?

If I group  layer 1 before I export it, it does not happen?

 

Is this a bug? Anyone else encountered it happening?

 

Cheers in advance.

1780 Views   18 Replies   Latest reply: MadMich, Mar 14, 2013 3:51 AM
 
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  • Peter Spier
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    1. Peter Spier,
    May 4, 2012 9:33 AM   in reply to MadMich
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    Try the 7.5.3 update that was released this week and see if it helps....

     
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    2. MadMich,
    May 4, 2012 9:56 AM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    Thanks for the reply, unfortunately no change?

     
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    3. Peter Spier,
    May 4, 2012 10:41 AM   in reply to MadMich
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    OK, I've never seen this, but I don't export a lot of layered PDF becasue I work for print.

     

    Are the objects overridden? Grouped with anything else? Can you show us a screen shot of the object selected (or at least with frame edge showing to identify the layer), and the layers panel for the page in ID, and the perhaps the same page withthe layer turned off in Acrobat?

     
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    4. MadMich,
    May 4, 2012 10:53 PM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    Here are the images you asked for.

    No Groups and no overides. Most of our files are converted legacy builds (CS4) but I've recreated this from scratch in CS5 and get the same result.

    We are getting this problem on different build macs and different sites in Asia and Europe!

     

    Indesign screenshot shows the master pages and 2 layers, layer 1 is highlighted.

    Page 1 pdf screenshot shows the correct result when layer 1 is turned off.

    Page 2 pdf screenshot shows that layer 1 has moved to layer 2.

     

     

    Indesign screenshot

    Indesign.png

     

     

    Page 1 pdf screenshot

    page 1 pdf.png

    Page 2 pdf screenshot

    page 2 pdf.png

     
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  • Manish-Sharma
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    5. Manish-Sharma,
    May 4, 2012 11:20 PM   in reply to MadMich
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    It seems that on page number 2 the master page item is overirdden and moved to layer 2 , but I dont think that is the case here.

     

    The indesign file seems to be quite simple , Is it possible to share?

     
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    6. MadMich,
    May 5, 2012 1:00 AM   in reply to Manish-Sharma
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    Here is the share.

     

    http://www.4shared.com/zip/p96s2k3y/artworkindd.html

     

    Cheers

     
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  • Peter Spier
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    7. Peter Spier,
    May 5, 2012 3:51 AM   in reply to MadMich
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    Using file share sites that require membership to download is not a friendly way to share.

     

    I don't have your file, but you mentioned that this only happens with converted files. We get enough reports of strange behavior when converting files to CS5 thaat my standard advice is now to export the file from the original version as either .inx or .idml and open that in CS5 instead. If you can't do that, opent the .indd and immediately export to .idml, then open that and save as .indd with a new name (never overwrite the original version).

     
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  • MadMich
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    8. MadMich,
    May 5, 2012 4:13 AM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    Thanks for the replies.

    The file was converted from CS4, but i have recreated the file from scratch in CS5 and got the same result?

    This sugggests that it is more than just a conversion problem wouldn't you say?

    Cheers for you thoughts

     
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    9. Peter Spier,
    May 5, 2012 4:16 AM   in reply to MadMich
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    Yeah, it does sound like something more.

     

    I'll send you an upload link whre you can share with me privately so I don't have to join 4share.

     
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  • Peter Spier
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    May 5, 2012 4:53 AM   in reply to MadMich
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    Can you tell us what export settings you are using?

     
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  • MadMich
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    11. MadMich,
    May 5, 2012 12:50 PM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    Here is a screenshot of the settings, I also sent you the details Peter.

    Screen Shot 2012-05-05 at 20.46.16.png

    High Quality Print default setting with compatibility changed to allow for layers. That's all

     
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  • Peter Spier
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    May 5, 2012 1:20 PM   in reply to MadMich
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    I have your file, and I can confirm the behavior in CS5 and CS5.5, and I can reproduce it with a new file of my own as well. I'm 99.999% sure this is a bug -- exported .idml from the files shows the error in CS5/5.5, but not in CS4.

     

    Even more interesting than your observation of the object moving to the second layer is that the object that was on the second layer is now not on any layer at all -- if you hide all the layers it's still visible. I'm not really sure there's a point in trying to report the bug for CS5/5.5 as CS6 is due tomorrow and it's very unlikely to get get fixed in an earlier version, but I'll open a discussion with some other users with contacts onthe engineering team and see if there is any encouragement.

     
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    May 5, 2012 2:09 PM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    Thanks for the confirmation Peter.

     
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    May 7, 2012 10:59 PM   in reply to MadMich
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    I can confirm that CS6 fixes the problem.

     
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  • MadMich
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    Aug 1, 2012 4:50 AM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    Hi Peter,

    Did your colleagues shed any light on this being fixed in Indesign 5.0?

    I have to make a decision as to upgrading to 6.0 and i  wondered if there had been any further debate about it?

    Cheers

     
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    Aug 1, 2012 5:05 AM   in reply to MadMich
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    I've not heard anything more, but that's not unusual. I would say that it's not terribly likley to get fixed, though, in CS5 if CS6 works. Most bug fixes are not ported backwards because the time to test in a previous version is expensive and rarely available unless it's a bug that is stopping a large number of users from having any functionality at all (like the recent problem with the update to Lion that crashes multiple versions of ID on new Apple hardware) and because the risk of breaking something else is also high.

     
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    Aug 1, 2012 10:43 PM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    Thanks for the feedback Peter.

    I didn't know about the lion problems so i will check this out also, very helpful thanks.

     
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    Mar 14, 2013 3:51 AM   in reply to MadMich
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    Just a quick update for anyone getting this problem in CS5/5.5. A colleague says if you select  page 2 and and overide master pages it seems to fix it. This means though if you update your master page you will have to update and overide page 2 again!

     
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