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Thomas Beach
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CS5 and Cineform Converted Files

May 3, 2012 10:19 AM

I have been having trouble trying to Import files into a new CS5 Project Panel.  The files in question are my original digitized (from Mini-DV) .mp4 video tapes.  The problem is that when I choose to Import and select the original digitized file, the progress bar at the lower right corner of the Premier Pro screen flashes by quickly to completion before disappearing, giving the impression that the file has imported.  However, the file (which shows up in the Project Panel) is not there at all.  There is just an alias of the imported file remaining.  There is also no progress bar as the file is indexed (I'm sorry, I forget the technical term) which led me to believe there was a problem.

 

I know the person who originally digitized these tapes used Cineform conversion.  I believe the reason at the time was to better work with After Effects?  I really can't say, however.

 

So my question is this:  Could the problem of not being able to Import these .mp4 files (a RAID drive inside my computer) into the Project Panel be because of the Cineform conversion done at the time?  If not, are there any other suggestions as to why these files wouldn't Import?  Everything I've found tells me that PP CS5 should be able to Import and edit .mp4 file types without any issues.

 

I would appreciate any advice on this as I am left with no alternative but to rent a Sony deck and redigitize all of my tapes in order to solve what I hope is the problem.  Naturally, this deck rental will be quite expensive and I don't want to spend that money if in fact, there is another reason for the .mp4 file rejection and I might still be able to use those original digitized files.

 

Thanks much.

 

Tom

 
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    May 3, 2012 11:38 AM   in reply to Thomas Beach

    You have three terms that all contradict each other - DV, Cineform and MP4.  The files will be only one of those, but can't possibly be all three.

     

    So, if they have the .mp4 extension, they're neither Cineform nor DV files.  If order to be Cineform or DV files, they will have the .avi extension.

     

    If they came from MiniDV tape, there would have been little point in converting them to Cineform.

     

    So...my point here is that your reported data is very, very confusing, and likely not entirely accurate.  Which makes it difficult for us to help.

     
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    May 3, 2012 1:42 PM   in reply to Thomas Beach

    Things will improve markedly if you follow the normal capture route with mini-DV material.

     
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    May 3, 2012 2:09 PM   in reply to Thomas Beach

    >files in question are my original digitized (from Mini-DV)

     

    The usual process with Mini-DV tape cameras is to connect via Firewire and then you simply transfer the ALREADY DIGITIAL data from tape to computer (Firewire is nothing but a glorified serial port for file transfers)

     

    In any event, you now need to find out what is really inside the files you have that will not import

     

    Read Bill Hunt on a file type as WRAPPER http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037

    What is a CODEC... a Primer http://forums.adobe.com/thread/546811

    What CODEC is INSIDE that file? http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037

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    Report back with the codec details of your file, use the programs below... a screen shot works well to SHOW people what you are doing

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    For PC http://www.headbands.com/gspot/ or http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en

    For Mac http://mediainspector.massanti.com/

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    http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2011/02/red-yellow-and-gree n-render-bars.html

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    If you have a red line over the timeline after importing a video and before adding any effects... your project is wrong for your video... read above about codecs

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    Once you know exactly what it is you are editing, report back with that information... and your project setting, and if there is a red line above the video in the timeline, which indicates a mismatch between video and project

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    H.264 will NOT work inside an AVI wrapper http://forums.adobe.com/thread/854115

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    More information needed for someone to help... click these links and provided the requested information

    -http://forums.adobe.com/message/4200840

    -http://forums.adobe.com/thread/416679

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    For CS5 and later, the easy way to insure that your video and your project match

    See 2nd post for picture of NEW ITEM process http://forums.adobe.com/thread/872666

     
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    May 3, 2012 4:35 PM   in reply to Thomas Beach

    the .mp4 files are the files I am trying to work with

     

    OK.

     

    Where exactly did those files come from?

     
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    May 4, 2012 8:58 AM   in reply to Thomas Beach

    >guy who did the transfers

     

    What you describe would seem to indicate that this "guy" did not know what he was doing

     

    Mini DV tapes are already in a digital format, and there is NO increase in quality in transferring to anything other than DV AVI

     

    Your DV AVI files "should" be about 13gig per hour of video... if they are smaller, your "guy" did something to the files after the transfer to reduce the file size and quality

     

    Is there any way to go back to the original tapes and have a "guy" who knows what he is doing transfer the files over firewire?

     

    Yours is the first message I can remember reading, going back to the OLD Premiere 6 days, where someone has transferred Mini DV to something other than DV AVI

     
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    May 4, 2012 9:49 AM   in reply to Thomas Beach

    the files were generated from Mini-DV tapes

     

    Ok, good.

     

    Next question.  Was the original media shot at DV resolution (standard definition) or in HDV (high definition)?

     
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    May 4, 2012 10:17 AM   in reply to Thomas Beach

    OK.

     

    None of those cameras (assuming alll tape based HDV models) will generate MP4 files.  Which means the MP4 versions you have are conversions.  You're best bet is to get your hands on the original captured media, which will all have an .m2v extension.

     
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    May 4, 2012 11:08 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    which will all have an .m2v extension .

     

    Premiere captures hdv files as .mpeg and hdv-split/Vegas as m2t.

     
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    May 4, 2012 11:09 AM   in reply to Ann Bens

    Than you for the correction.

     
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    May 4, 2012 3:46 PM   in reply to Thomas Beach

    what if anything were you able to glean from the GSpot panel pictures I supplied?

     

    That whoever told you to edit with the AVI proxies was off their rocker.  Life would have been much simpler had you just used the original MPEG for editing.

     
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