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New Look?

May 6, 2012 2:28 PM

Hm-m, seems that we have a "new look" in the forums, as of Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ ~ 2:30PM PDT.

Not sure that I like it, but time will tell. Most of us have just "rolled with the punches," and accepted all changes.

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1. John T Smith,

May 6, 2012 2:34 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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If the new look means less overhead... ie-faster forum... I am in favor

As you say... roll with the punches

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2. John Cornicello,

May 6, 2012 2:36 PM in reply to John T Smith

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Getting rid of a lot of excess code should help speed things up. These are the new skins that the forum announcements were referring to last week.

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3. Phillip Jones,

May 6, 2012 2:50 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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Don't need all this Gray I just posted a Problem showing this:
The titles should be smaller so that even the word Browse is beside history.

I think the folks designing the skins were PC only and didn't try them on Macs.

Had they created them on Macs then they would work on both.

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4. Jacob Bugge,

May 6, 2012 3:36 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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Bill,

It seems that we are getting closer to the way the fair forums looked. You may follow one of the links here to see, if you have forgotten:

http://www.bugge.com/Family-and-friends/Illy/Archive/Chat/chat.html

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5. Phillip Jones,

May 6, 2012 3:43 PM in reply to Jacob Bugge

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It's Not a fix but I fixed the problem by use of an extension called NoSquint for SeaMonkey/FireFox. I set magnification of font to 85%. and Maganification for Full Zoom level 120%

I said it’s a Font issue and it is.

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6. Bill Hunt,

May 6, 2012 3:57 PM in reply to Jacob Bugge

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Yes, it HAS been a while, and I did manage to get used to the various iterations of Jive, so maybe this too will work out.

Having spent some time with the "new look," I have a few comments:

We no longer see the posting info of those posting - that had been rather useful, especially to "welcome" new posters. I guess that we can click on their avatar, and read up on them, but if one is responding to 100's of posts per day, that rather takes a lot of time.

The "Go to last post," or similar syntax, seems to be gone. That was useful for multi-page threads.

The color differentiation of New/Updated posts should have been red, and not another shade of blue with just bold.

I do agree that the sea-of-gray is not to my liking, but that might just be me.

I rather liked the alternating background, though that could mess up a Copy/Paste for block quotes. It was easier on my tired old eyes.

Now I have to learn that the Reply has been moved about.

I missed the "skins" thread, but did see it on the main page. Been in the UK so am just now catching up. Gotta' go read, as I suppose that I WAS warned...

Hunt

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7. Bill Hunt,

May 6, 2012 4:00 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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OK, John C. has addressed a few of my "issues," in the "Skins" thread, so I will just be patient and try to learn the new "scheme."

Hunt

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8. Lee Jay,

May 6, 2012 4:37 PM in reply to John Cornicello

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John Cornicello wrote:

Getting rid of a lot of excess code should help speed things up. These are the new skins that the forum announcements were referring to last week.

Are "show most recent post" and tree view now considered "excess code"?

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9. Lee Jay,

May 6, 2012 4:38 PM in reply to Lee Jay

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Lee Jay wrote:

John Cornicello wrote:

Getting rid of a lot of excess code should help speed things up. These are the new skins that the forum announcements were referring to last week.

Are "show most recent post" and tree view now considered "excess code"?

Ah...well it seems tree view is working in this thread.

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10. John Cornicello,

May 6, 2012 4:40 PM in reply to Lee Jay

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I"m referring to excess headers and CSS files and the like. Functionality is separate

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11. John Cornicello,

May 6, 2012 4:41 PM in reply to Lee Jay

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Were your preferences set to show threaded? That may have stuck through the redesign.

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12. Noel Carboni,

May 6, 2012 5:06 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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I'll hold judgment on the new look and feel for a time, but I do have a question:

Where's the ''reply to xxxxxxx'' gone? It's no longer possible to see whose reply button a poster pressed. That was actually useful. Now we have to rely on people quoting others to know who they're addressing.

Is it me or has the font gotten a little smaller. I've been working hard all day on a book, so maybe it's just that my eyes are tired.

And I see that the editor font and the post font are different still... Just look at a lower case g to see the difference.

-Noel

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13. Lee Jay,

May 6, 2012 5:10 PM in reply to John Cornicello

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John Cornicello wrote:

Were your preferences set to show threaded? That may have stuck through the redesign.

Yes. It seems to work on new threads, but old threaded threads show as flat.

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14. Jim Simon,

May 6, 2012 5:27 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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Hm-m, seems that we have a "new look"

OK, so I'm not seeing things. Not sure it's a good idea to stack the reply and other buttons vertically, though. That just wastes screen space and makes scrolling forums longer.

I noticed SPDY is also being used. That's a good thing. But the layout still needs work.

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15. Bob Ward,

May 6, 2012 5:33 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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I definitely do not like the new look, especially the gray background - the reduced contrast (black on gray) makes it just a little harder to read text. Also, the separation between posts is not as obvious as it used to be.

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16. Jim Simon,

May 6, 2012 5:36 PM in reply to Bob Ward

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Agreed on all counts.

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17. Noel Carboni,

May 6, 2012 5:41 PM in reply to Bob Ward

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Bob Ward wrote:

especially the gray background

Medium blue on light gray certainly leaves a little to be desired.

-Noel

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18. Noel Carboni,

May 6, 2012 5:41 PM in reply to Jim Simon

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Jim Simon wrote:

Agreed on all counts.
With whom? We can no longer tell.

-Noel

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19. Jim Simon,

May 6, 2012 5:43 PM in reply to Noel Carboni

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Agreed on all counts.
With whom?

Bob. The post right above.

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20. Noel Carboni,

May 6, 2012 5:51 PM in reply to Jim Simon

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Jim Simon wrote:

Bob. The post right above.

My point is that that's not obvious, given the loss of the ''reply to xxxxx'' field that used to be displayed.

-Noel

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21. Powered by Design,

May 6, 2012 5:53 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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I also argee that I dont like the new forum look.

Its funny how on the right there is still Points for Correct and Helpfull answers but nowhere to see what people have. Not that I even cared about it but thought it was funny. Maybe im missing something.

Like Bill said I to liked seeing posing info of people.

This version needs work.

GLenn

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22. Jim Simon,

May 6, 2012 6:02 PM in reply to Powered by Design

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This version needs work.

Oh yeah!.

Anybody else not like the buttons on the left now. I mean, most of us are right handed. Why force us to drag the mouse across the screen now. They were fine where they were. Moving them won't speed load times, so why were they moved?

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23. ProDesignTools,

May 6, 2012 6:41 PM in reply to Jim Simon

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This reminds me of Google Reader's recent oversimplification... er I mean redesign. Most users didn't like it and still don't. Why water down and remove useful features like "reply to"?

Adobe software users are a pretty sophisticated bunch and typically things go in the opposite direction - providing more power and functionality over time.

There also seems to be more open/dead space around each post when viewed in Chrome... in Firefox things look better, though not sure why there is such a difference. <== Need to clear browser cache of previous content and this is fixed.

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24. mytaxsite.co.uk,

May 6, 2012 6:52 PM in reply to ProDesignTools

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This reminds me of Google Reader's recent oversimplification... er I mean redesign. Most users didn't like it and still don't. Why water down and remove useful features like "reply to"?

"Go to Original post" is also missing. How about: "Reply to Original post"?

To avoid replting to some obnoxious people I prefer to "Reply to original post" but this has been removed. Also in a long thread, there is no short cut method of going to the original post. Can you imagine scrolling all the pages in this thread:

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/877321?start=0&tstart=0

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25. Curt Y,

May 6, 2012 7:24 PM in reply to mytaxsite.co.uk

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It appears they have done away with points and the red "meatballs". Can not see them listed in user profile either.

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26. mytaxsite.co.uk,

May 6, 2012 7:28 PM in reply to Curt Y

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It appears they have done away with points and the red "meatballs". Can not see them listed in user profile either.

Yes it is all gone and I think it is good thing because some people in DW forums thought that they have some god given rights to abuse some posters because they have clocked up some 50,000 points over the past 15 years!!!!.

IMHO all users should be equal and nobody should be shunned or insulted unnecessarily.

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27. Powered by Design,

May 6, 2012 7:37 PM in reply to mytaxsite.co.uk

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Adobe has a thread going with know issues of the new skins HERE

Also it looks different in each browser.

I use Chrome and buttons are missing and the color is mainly all white-ish

Glenn

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28. John Cornicello,

May 6, 2012 7:42 PM in reply to Curt Y

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Interesting. Internally some folks called them "sausages." Guess that's similar to meatballs (just had dinner with my 92-yr-old Italian mom). These ARE coming back. There was a last minute issue with them. Should have that fixed soon.

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29. Chris Cox,

May 6, 2012 8:32 PM in reply to Jim Simon

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Jim - the reply/mark stuff appears to be due to older cached CSS files. Relaunching the browser or clearing the cache and reloading the page seem to clean it up.

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30. Chris Cox,

May 6, 2012 8:33 PM in reply to Curt Y

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Getting rid of the point meters -- I will call that one a good thing.

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31. Bill Hunt,

May 6, 2012 8:34 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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Looks like things might be changing, as I type.

Now, it appears that new, or updated threads, are not bothering to show at all. One must look at the date/time, and then calculate when they last viewed a product forum.

Not a good thing!

Sometimes, I wonder why I even bother to try and help in the Adobe product forums. Adobe, and Jive, seem to want to make it more difficult, with each change. What is the "end game?" Does Adobe want us to all just go away?

Does Adobe want things to focus only on the Community Help, and for the forums to die?

Sorry, but I am becoming much more frustrated with some of these changes.

Good luck to all, but I think that I might just retire from here too.

Bad move Adobe!

Hunt

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32. Bill Hunt,

May 6, 2012 8:38 PM in reply to mytaxsite.co.uk

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Hm-m. I would imagine that those folk would "abuse" others, regardless of any "salami" showing. I do not believe that their contributions are the only reason for their poor behavior, but could be wrong.

Having lived with the "new and improved" forums for a few hours, let me say that I am less than impressed, and at many levels.

Hunt

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33. Bill Hunt,

May 6, 2012 8:39 PM in reply to mytaxsite.co.uk

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It seems that the threads that you are reading, are populated by some unsavory folk. Maybe I hang out in different product forums?

Hunt

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34. Bill Hunt,

May 6, 2012 8:42 PM in reply to Noel Carboni

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Noel,

Now, we have zero clue to whom one is replying. That is a great new "feature" of the "new and improved" forum. We can only guess, and that "guess" will probably be very wrong.

Hey, let's all do a bit of Joycian free association, and see where that takes us. Sometimes, "stream of consciousness" is not really a bad thing.

Hunt

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35. Bill Hunt,

May 6, 2012 8:47 PM in reply to Bob Ward

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Bob Ward,

[Mentioning who I am replying to, as the new and improved forum does not list that.]

I agree completely.

Maybe this IS a "work in progress," but I am not feeling the love, and the usefulness of the "new look," and you reference one perfect example.

I sort of wish that I had not left the country (US), and had been able to comment on this change. So far, I find it an abomination, and a detrimental factor to my contributions. Maybe that is the goal of Adobe?

Hunt

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36. station_one,

May 6, 2012 8:58 PM in reply to Bill Hunt

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@ Bill Hunt:

Bill, has your face always been this red in your profile picture, or is this another byproduct of the new forum look?

Looks as if you loaded an Adobe RGB image and the forum software. stripped the embedded profile (if the file was in fact tagged).

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37. Bill Hunt,

May 6, 2012 9:01 PM in reply to station_one

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@ Station_One, as noone will know to whom I am replying, otherwise, I am not sure. That was shot in Hawai`i, and I HAD been drinking, so maybe it was the sun, the wine, or maybe the "new and improved" look of things?

Hunt

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38. Jim Simon,

May 6, 2012 9:55 PM in reply to Chris Cox

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Chris Cox wrote:

Relaunching the browser or clearing the cache and reloading the page seem to clean it up.

I got that. But now they're all the way over on the left. That's no good. Most folks are right handed, and will move the pointer off to the right while reading a page. So those buttons should go back in the lower right cornert, not the left.

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39. Noel Carboni,

May 7, 2012 4:40 AM in reply to station_one

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station_one wrote:

Bill, has your face always been this red in your profile picture
It's clearly a color-management issue, as the tiny icon isn't the same color as his full profile picture. I've viewed Bill's full profile picture before, and it wasn't that red, so it's definitely a NEW color-management issue.

-Noel

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