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  • Winston Barnard
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    May 8, 2012 1:37 PM   in reply to Community Help

    I am curious to know how others make use of Renditions? What have you adopted as a "best practice" when it comes to creating Digital Publications

    using DPS for multiple devices and OS's?

     
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    Sep 10, 2012 2:04 AM   in reply to Community Help

    Now that we have the ability to create alternate layouts in inDesign do we need to still create a separate folio for each rendition or are they now 'built in'?

     
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    Sep 10, 2012 4:41 AM   in reply to Konstantinos Terzopoulos

    Alternate layouts are not fully supported yet. Best advice is still separate files.

     

    Bob

     
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    Sep 10, 2012 4:57 AM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Thanks! I am thinking, then, to make copies and simly delete the version not needed. Will that work?

     

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    Oct 26, 2012 7:39 AM   in reply to Konstantinos Terzopoulos

    We have a problem targeting the Nexus 7 and other android devices for an e-magazine. We need a pinch and zoom or simply zoom feature that is supported by the android device.

    However, publishing through the folio builder and then viewing in DPS on the Android device such as a Nexus 7 does not permit zooming. Does Adobe offer a work around for this? Is it available in CS6 as we use CS5.5? We are using Magzter and they produce an app from our PDFs that permit zooming. Can Adobe offer the same thing? Is this a problem due to strict renditions? Can I turn this off in CS5.5 or is it already off by default?

     
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    Oct 26, 2012 7:46 AM   in reply to TommyO12

    We are having a problem targeting Nexus7 and other Android devices. We need to publish an e-magazine which allows pinch and zoom or another zoom function. Most Android smart phones including the Nexus 7 permit pinch and zoom but any folios we produce using Adobe Folio Builder and then are viewed on the Adobe Content Viewer through DPS do not allow zooming. Is this due to strict renditions being on when published? Are strict renditions off as a default? We are using CS5.5, would switching to CS6 be the only solution? Does Adobe offer a work around? Using a Pan and Zoom overlay in Indesign CS5.5 seems to do the trick but we really need a more PDF style of zooming. We have used Magzter to publish the App. They offer a pinch and zoom application from the PDFs that we send to them. Can Adobe offer the same sort of solution?

     
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    Oct 26, 2012 8:33 AM   in reply to TommyO12

    Not at this time.

     

     

     

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    Nov 11, 2012 11:03 PM   in reply to Community Help

    It clearly says above "Create a single folio size (such as 1024x768) for all devices. Layouts are scaled or letterboxed as needed."

    so... why then If I publish a 1024x768

    iPad - works

    iPhone - FAIL shows nothing

    iPod - FAIL shows nothing

    Android tablet - works

    Kindle Fire - works

    Nook - works

     

    2- If I Create a folio rendition (480x320) and Create documents for multiple devices (using alternate layouts for every single page that are 480x320)

    iPad - works shows 1024x768

    iPhone - works shows 320x240

    iPod - works shows 320x240

    Android tablet - FAIL shows 320x240

    Kindle Fire - FAIL shows 320x240

    Nook - FAIL shows 320x240

     

    3- If I Create YES, YET ANOTHER a folio rendition (600x1024) and Create documents for multiple devices (using alternate layouts for every single page that are 600x1024)

    The publishing suite throws an ERROR and says "One of your articles has a different resolution size than the folio."

    --> THATS BS, the article has 3 sizes, this problem did not occure with the 320x480, why is it a problem with (600x1024)?

    A: 1024x768 Vertical

    B: 480x320 Vertical

    C: 1024x600 Vertical

     

    4- If I Create YES, YET ANOTHER a folio rendition (800x1280) and Create documents for multiple devices (using alternate layouts for every single page that are 800x1280)

    The publishing suite throws an ERROR and says "One of your articles has a different resolution size than the folio."

    --> THATS BS, the article has now 4 sizes, this problem did not occur with the 480x320, why is it a problem with (1280x800)?

    A: 1024x768 Vertical

    B: 480x320 Vertical

    C: 1024x600 Vertical

    D: 1280x800 Vertical

     

    What gives?

     
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    Nov 12, 2012 10:21 AM   in reply to zagarskas

    1 - The iPad displays only folios with a 4:3 aspect ratio. The iPhone displays only folios with a 3:2 aspect ratio (until the new 1136x960 size is supported). However, Android devices display any valid folio size, scaling down and letterboxing as needed. If you publish a 1024x768 (4:3) folio, it shows up on all devices except the iPhone.

     

    2 - It sounds like the Android devices are choosing a larger rendition.

     

    3 - We need more information about how you're creating the articles.

     

    4 - Same.

     

    You might want to look at this article:

     

    http://blogs.adobe.com/indesigndocs/2012/10/creating-dps-folios-for-an droid-devices.html

     
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    Nov 12, 2012 10:41 AM   in reply to Bob Bringhurst

    right, and the article you list is awesome...

    however, the problem is simply this:

    I make a 1024x768 and the idea is to push it to all tablets...

    then I make a 480x320 alternate layout and rendition with the expectation that it will only show on the iPod and iPhone and guess what happens?

     

    Expectation:

    ---------------------------------------------EDITION

    ------ rendition 1 - alt alyout A-----------

    1024x768 -> iPad

    1024x768 -> Android

    1024x768 -> Kindle Fire

    1024x768 -> Nook

    ------ rendition 2 - alt alyout B-----------

    480x320 -> iPhone and iPod touch

    (and in theory, this would show on other phones in the future)

    ---------------------------------------------EDITION

     

    Actual Result:

    ---------------------------------------------EDITION

    ------ rendition 1 - alt alyout A-----------

    1024x768 -> iPad

    ------ rendition 2 - alt alyout B-----------

    480x320 -> Android

    480x320 -> Kindle Fire

    480x320 -> Nook

    480x320 -> iPhone and iPod touch

    (arrrrg!)

    ---------------------------------------------EDITION

     

    see what I mean?

     

    now, if I change the Androids to strict rendition, they dont show the 1024x768, and I end up going down the rabbit hole of 5 renditions and 5 alternate layouts...

     

    I have been up for days... and finally found a solution (make a seperate login, copy items over to it, so there are now two 1024x768's one for iOs and one for Androids), but its not at all efficiant and exactly what I was trying to avoid.

     
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    Nov 12, 2012 11:00 AM   in reply to zagarskas

    You're right that it's not efficient. The DPS team is planning to improve the rendition workflow. As you mentioned, creating separate application IDs for iOS and Android is the way to go unless you set up an app with a custom entitlement server.

     
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    Nov 12, 2012 11:07 AM   in reply to Bob Bringhurst

    I see. I think I now know what I must do...

    I should assume that the 480x320 showing up on the Androids (even if there is a 1024x768 available) will always happen unless I create a new 1024x768 folio with a seperate user.

     

    PS: thank you for running an awesome community here and taking care of us! It really is nice to get a responce from someone who knows whats up with this gig...

    you rock.

     
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    Nov 12, 2012 11:35 AM   in reply to zagarskas

    RE: 1 - The iPad displays only folios with a 4:3 aspect ratio. The iPhone displays only folios with a 3:2 aspect ratio (until the new 1136x960 size is supported). However, Android devices display any valid folio size, scaling down and letterboxing as needed. If you publish a 1024x768 (4:3) folio, it shows up on all devices except the iPhone.

    --> YES, this is true... that is... until I publish anything with a 3:2, and then the Android scaling down and letterboxing does something nasty indeed... it shows the 320 alternate and ignores the 768...

     

     

     

    RE: 2 - It sounds like the Android devices are choosing a larger rendition.

    they are choosing the smaller one, the 320, they should be choosing the 768... but I think this boils down the the "3:2" rule, since the 320 is 3:2 for the iPod, they decide "oh. this 320 is a better fit than the 768 because of its aspect ratio, I Android think I will show this to the human"

    -> and then its really really small on the screen and I am left scratching my head talking to a device as if it can hear me...

     

     

    RE: 3 - We need more information about how you're creating the articles.

    Basically, I watched this and followed it step by step: http://tv.adobe.com/watch/visual-design-cs6/working-with-alternate-lay outs/?go=13244

    I am simply making a new folio that is 1024x768 called Issue X (rendition 1)

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    and then in inDesign making a 1024x768 = A_v

    -> then clicking on "create alternate layout" and making a 480x320(B_v)  FROM A_v

    -> then clicking on "create alternate layout" again and making a 1024x600(C_v)  FROM A_v

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    then makeing a new folio that is 480x320 called Issue X (rendition 2) + adding covers

    then makeing a new folio that is 1024x600 called Issue X (rendition 3) + adding covers

    --> and in the DPS online builder tool copying over all items from the first 1024x768 "issue X" one at a time to (rendition 2) and then (rendition 3) respectivly

     

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    The 480x320 Issue X rendition then works on the iPod and iPhone, and actually shows me the 480x320

    however, 1024x600 (rendition 3) throws an error and says "One of your articles has a different resolution size than the folio." which I assume is from the 1024x768 inside the 'alternate layout'... bringing us back to the 320 VS 768 "paradox" which I was in theory trying to override with the 1024x600 (rendition 3)

     
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    Nov 12, 2012 11:33 AM   in reply to Bob Bringhurst

    Hi guys,

     

    I'd like to understand it all...


    I made 2 renditions from an iPad layout 1024x768.

    I made 1 for iphone 480x320, another for Android 1280x800.

    The iphone fits perfect. The Android not 100% (but I suppose it might be due to a borderline issue I have to read in Android Folio guide...).

     

    Anyway, my question is (for what zagarskas has described), no matter if I have it ok on Content Viewer Device, when I publish it I may have problems with the right formats???

     
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    Nov 12, 2012 11:47 AM   in reply to cgv.br

    yes indeed, at least for me...

    this is not only happening with the Content viewer app I log into, but at one point I decided that there perhaps is an error in it and decided to start doing this with the live apps and have burned through over 100+ downloads as I can see my limit has been reduced in the live apps.

     

    Please, feel free to try your 480x320 + 1024x768 + 1280x800 alternate layouts with 3 rendiditon folios and let me know if it works! Now if you have all 3 and can make them work on 3 devices, thats what I was trying to do in #3 above. However, if you want to stick with only 2 renditions and alternates to show the 1024x768 on the Androids + the iPad, with a 320x480 alternate on iPhones and iPods then you may end up with a suprise. indeed, let me know how this turns out for you. Please do not let this post hold you back, as a developer I believe that 99% of software issues are related to human error, and I err as often as I experiment...

     
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    Nov 12, 2012 11:47 AM   in reply to zagarskas

    Well, they all have worked with Content Viewer. We do not have a Pro account yet... nearly there!

    I'll let you know what happens when we do it for real

     
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    Nov 13, 2012 1:43 PM   in reply to cgv.br

    Awesome.

     

    Please note the following:

    My problem only occurs when I use 1 login to create 1 core folio with 3 renditions inside it spread across a total of 3 alternate layouts.

     

    I have solved the issue with help from Bob, reading offical Adobe stuff online (and not believeing some of it too), and experimenting.

     

    As of now, the best way I have found go's like this:

    1- make a new folio (folioA) using dps.ios@mysite.com

    -> add articles with 1024x768. upload em all.

    give permission to edit this item to dps.android@mysite.com

    ...then...

    2- make a new folio (folioB) with exact same name using dps.android@mysite.com

    -> go to the digitalpublishing.acrobat.com login, select the folio that dps.ios made, and copy the articles over one at a time to (folioB), check the box that says "protected" and "locked"

    -> log back out and log back in as dps.ios

    add in  + 480x320 alternate layouts to (folioA) or you will find that (folio B) will show the 320 to android users.

     

    log out and log back in as dps.ios@mysite.com

    publish Folio A

     

    log out and log back in as dps.android@mysite.com

    publish Folio B

     

    result:

    ---------------------------------------------EDITION

    ------ rendition 1 - Folio A - alt alyout V_ios_big - made by  dps.ios@mysite.com-----------

    1024x768 -> iPad

    ------ rendition 1 - Folio A - alt alyout V_ios_small - made by  dps.ios@mysite.com---------

    480x320 -> iPhone and iPod touch

    ------ rendition 2 - Folio B - alt alyout V_ios_big - made by  dps.android@mysite.com------

    1024x768 -> Android

    1024x768 -> Kindle Fire

    1024x768 -> Nook

    ---------------------------------------------EDITION

     

    App notes:

    the iOs app is set to ipod and ipad. it only accpet folios from  dps.ios@mysite.com

    the android apk 1, apk 2, and apk 3 only accpet folios from  dps.android@mysite.com

     
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    Nov 13, 2012 9:46 AM   in reply to Community Help

    Rendition     

     

    Ipad 1 e 2 = 1024x768

    Ipad 3 = 2048x1536

    Iphone 3GS = 480x320

    Iphone 4 e 4S = 960x640

    Iphone 5 = 1136x640

    Ipod Touch = 960x640

    Ipad Mini = 1024x768

    Galaxy 7" = 1024x600

    Galaxy 10" = 1232x752

    Nexus = 1205x725

    Kindle Fire SD = 1024x600

    Kindle Fire HD = 1280x800

    Xoom = 1232x752

    PlayBook = 1024x600  

     

     

    Dirce

     
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    Feb 18, 2013 6:27 AM   in reply to Community Help

    Hi!

     

    I am unclear about whether I can design an iPad app along with a rendition for the iPhone and submit using a Single Edition platform.

     

    Thanks!

     
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    Feb 18, 2013 6:47 AM   in reply to christinaRicci

    Single edition is iPad only.

     

    Bob

     
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    Feb 18, 2013 2:52 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    If Single edition (iPad) can not have a rendition to other device if not iPad: can i have a redition to iPad 3/4 (if i do a folio for 1/2)?

     
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    Feb 18, 2013 3:21 PM   in reply to Folobo

    Use PDF format along with HD/SD assets and vector for appropriate

    overlays. There's a link that Bob B posted earlier that will guide you.

     

    Bob

     
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    Feb 18, 2013 6:35 PM   in reply to Diircee

    You forgot Kindle Fire HD 8.9 - 1920 x 1280.

     
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    Feb 18, 2013 9:01 PM   in reply to FocusGroup

    Also, some new 10" HD Android devices are 2560x1600. Folio sizes that large are not yet supported.

     
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    Feb 19, 2013 2:24 AM   in reply to Community Help

    When iPhone 5 resolution (1136x640) iPhone 5 will be supported? Hard to preview layouts using iPhone 5 because Content Viewer not support 1136x640 resolution.

     
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    Feb 20, 2013 12:39 PM   in reply to Chun Lu

    If all goes according to plan, 1136x640 folios for the iPhone 5 will be supported in v26.

     
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    Feb 27, 2013 8:47 AM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Hi Bob, so with Single Edition there is an auto-rendition only for the hd assets placed in Hd folder (and only for 4 overlay: image seq, audio controllers, video, panorama, pan/zoom). Confirm?

     

    No other renditions are avaiable with single edition! Confirm?

     

    Many thanks!

     
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    Feb 27, 2013 8:55 AM   in reply to Folobo

    That is correct.

     

    Bob

     
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