Still learning how to do things, but I can't say enough about audition.
One thing that I'm not understanding very well is how to save my sessions with all of the media clips stored with them.
For instance, I produce a bunch of commercials for a client. I save them in one session to keep track of everything. In 3.0, I used to save them with the copies of associated files.
Then, when that client came back with one minor revision, I opened the session, copied the contents of one commercial over in the multitrack timeline (keeping it in the same session) so that I could create that revised copy, and still have the original in the same session.
When it came time to save, I saved it with the associated media files, and it let me save over the previous session, as well as adding the recently added media files to that folder that contained the session.
How do I achieve the same results. I know you can "export" the session, but for a project that is constantly updating, I want to be able to overwrite it and save it with all of the updates so that I'm not creating 30 different sessions for all the updates.
Confusing, i know...but it seemed so simple in 1.5 and 3. Now I'm a little lost.
I tried using the batch save all files, but then any multitrack envelope adjustments were lost after the batch save.
Ignore my previous reply - I think I misunderstood what you were asking. I'm still not entirely clear.
You wish to keep the same session file, but what is it that you're trying to save with that session? If you just copy and paste existing clips to elsewhere in the timeline, they are still referencing the original assets by default - there are no new files to copy. If you copy them to unique clips, then new files ARE generated and they are stored in a subfolder where your .SESX session file is located. There's no need to save the additional files as they are written to disk when generated.
If I'm still not getting it, please elaborate a bit more as I'm pretty sure we have a solution for you in CS6.
You're getting it The only thing is when I insert new things. Say that they wanted a few new sound effects, or a new voice file added. I want to save the session, but I also want to save the updated version with those new files as well. When I try to "export" that session, it won't let me because it's currently in use. So I have to rename that session in order for it to work. Problem is- If I have 10 different edits to make for a "10 day sale", I don't want to have to export 10 different sessions.
Okay, I'm still a bit slow of mind, so bear with me
Are you dragging new audio in from some random location to be part of your new mix, and are asking how to have that piece of media automatically copied into your existing session folder? Probably the simplest way to accomplish that would be to right-click on the clips you want to have copied within the session folder and choose Convert to Unique Copy. A new file will be generated in your session folder and the clip will be relinked to the new file. Nothing else about the clip or asset should change.
That works! One more question on that- is it possible to set the default "copy" to be a 320 cbr .mp3 instead of the .wav? I've noticed that everything I do with creating new copies or even saving something, the default is always a .wav
Thanks for all your help- I know I can get a bit confusing
Our internal file format is always WAV. Mp3 is a lossy compression format, and if we used mp3 as the format for these files, the quality would degrade when you performed a mixdown. When you open an mp3, we convert it to a WAV internally for all processing and playback.
Got it. One more question- everytime I do a batch convert of all the session files (just to make it easier to zip for out-of-house revisions) any file that is in the multitrack has it's envelopes reset. If I have a "boom" sound effect with the initial impact at a lower volume and the tail is at the default volume, as soon as there is a batch convert, the envelope is reset. Any way to disable that?
The envelopes in the new session are reset? Envelopes on clips or tracks in a multitrack session do not affect the actual assets on disk. If you absolutely need these rendered down, I'd suggest exporting to OMF which will render each clip including effects and automation to a flat file. You could also use the Export to Premiere Pro command which will render your session down to complete stems, depending on the needs of your out of house organization.
Here's how I will explain it. I have a bunch of files brought into my session. I edit envelopes on them like this:
Then.... I "Save All Audio As A Batch Process" to consolidate everything in that session into a folder.
But after I run that batch process, this is how the files appear in the session:
It's the same file, just converted. Why is it resetting my envelope points? Is there a way to disable that??
Durin's right - I don't think that Saving Audio as Batch Process is the way forward at all with this. Envelopes are only stored in the session file for your multitrack session, not on the audio itself. So just saving the audio does exactly what it says on the can...
I agree, but it seems like this one thing has been slowing my workflow down immensely. Every new sound, voice sample, music bed has to be converted to a unique copy in order for me to keep everything together. That can work on small projects, but on sessions that need 20 or 30 updates, that can take a lot of time that doesn't need to be taken. Before, all I had to do was "Save As" and check the box "Save Copies of Associated Files". If exporting AND converting everything to a unique copy is really the only option to do what was once so simple, that will probably be the only downfall I can see in such a great update. I know that most people might not have this issue, but everyone in my building that uses Audition for radio production and has been playing with the trial has asked me the same questions....and so far, I really don't have an answer except these "workarounds" that have been given to me. It seems like such a simple feature, but when it's gone, it's super hard to use this software exclusively.
Ahh - I think this is just a misunderstanding ;-)
We have added "Save copies of associated files" back to Audition CS6 but we moved it into our session export operation (instead of save).
Simply go to File > Export > Session.
From here, check the option for "Save copies of associated files" and click the Options button to choose the format and location for the session and files.
I think this is what you're looking for.
That is what I am looking for... But, the only problem I'm having with that is when I perform updates to that session and want to save those files in it as well, I can't re-export over that session because it won't let me. I can hit "Save", but that doesn't copy the new files into it. The "Export" wouldn't be a problem if it would let me overwrite that file while it's open, but it doesn't. So essentially, the only way around that is to either create unique copies of every new element added, or export it as a completely different session. I don't want a new session for every edit, I just want to save the session WITH the new files that have been added. Audition 3 and 1.5 let me do it without hesitation.
I think what you could do (because we are now using this through export and not save) is this:
File > Export > Session.
Check the option for "Save copies of associated files".
Also check the box for "Open session after saving".
When the newly exported session opens after the save, work off of that session (with the sesion files in their new location) so any new files created will be for that exported session and in that sesion location.
From that point on you can just perform a regular save and everything created will be in the correct location.
Does that work?
So for instance, I have 3 sound effects I need in that session that was exported. Those files are on a network drive here at work. I import them into my session that I had just re-opened after exporting. Will those files be added to the project directory? The reason this is such an issue is because I create things here at work with files only accessible on our network drives within the building. But when I take the sessions home for updates, I need those files with the session because the drive that contains many of those sounds is here at work.
No, we do not automatically copy files you are referencing in a session to a local directory. Any time you add a file into a session and save that session, Audition will simply save a reference to the original location of that file. This was also the way it worked in every previous version of Audition (and Cool Edit) ever released.
My suggestion for your worflow would be to import your netfwork files to a local folder (within the session directory) and import the files from there.
If this is not an option you will need to save the files locally sometime later and re-save the session.
To clarify the way this feature was inteneded to behave, the idea is that you are choosing to export the session and copies of everything in the session to bundle it all in one place. The problem is that if you then continue opening files from other locations, we still just reference a link to the location where you are importing from (nomal session behavior for Audition). If you then want to make sure everything is still bundled all in one place, you will have to re-export everything OR just save copies of the newly imported files to that session directory.
Again, this is the same way all previous versions of Audition have always behaved.
It sounds like you are requesting a new feature to have all imported files copied to a specified location...which I do think is a good suggestion.
Maybe I'm not explaining this correctly, but what I'm trying to say is that we already re-added that ;-)
It's under File > Export > Session now, but it essentially does the same thing if you choose to open the saved session after export.
Please let me know the exact workflow you used in Audition 3 if you find that this is not working the same way after trying it.
Yes, that is the way to do it. The difference is that if we add more media to the session, we can't "export" over the existing file. In Audition 3.0.1, when we did a "Save As" we were able to overwrite the session, and by overwriting everything, we had the SAME session, but with the newly added media files in the session directory. We CAN do that with the session export, but there is no way for us to now save newly added clips to the session and save them to the project directory like we once did by simply doing a "Save As" and replacing everything, including media files and the .ses file, while also saving copies of the newly added media. The difference is that now we can't overwrite the file. And the only way to "Save" over that session won't allow us to copy any more media to that directory without doing it manually or "convert to unique clips".
I think the main issue with the Export path is if the user is trying to overwrite an open session, it fails. Where Save As can overwrite the open session just fine, it doesn't include the "Save associated audio files.." option.
I suspect if we added that option to the Save As dialog, and included some logic to only write files that don't already exist, it would solve the majority of Gavin and Hanks request.
YES! That is EXACTLY what would solve it. I know it might be such a simple thing, that you wouldn't think that it could cause such chaos, but I've just LOVED that workflow. It's what kept me begging for Audition at every station I've worked for. Thank you Durin for being patient with me....I know that was the biggest pain to explain. It's hard finding ways to make it make sense to anyone who isn't used to that.
Ahh - I knew I had to be missing something here ;-)
I do recall discussing this when the featrue was implemented and there was some reason why it had to be done as an export (with the new architecture).
We'll make sure this is added to the backlog and reviewed for future versions.
Thanks for stepping in and clarifying the expected behavior Durin.
Hi Ron, This is exactly my point also and i'm happy that I could give the assist for Gevan's goal! But I hope the new pdf manual is coming soon. I hate that trial & error workflow. The move (V) thing for instance. Not difficult if you know how to do it. But it must be said; the CS6 version is very fast and will be an improvement.
Just an update on this:
I figured out a workaround for it so that I could continue using AA CS6 at work. The video is a little shakey, and the resolution is weird because it was recorded on my phone, but anyone who has been trying to figure out how to do it can see how I got it to work.
Hi. I'm new to Audition as part of CS6 but have noticed its saving behavior is much different than the older Soundbooth.
For some reason, Audition seems unable to save over any file that is already existing.
This includes when Audition is called from Adobe Aftereffects to edit a soundtrack. Whatever changes you make in the edit will not be saved to the edited track.
I can export a changed file, but if that file exists, export won't overwrite it either.
Is this normal behavior?
In a professional audio processing environment it is considered much safer to keep your original files and always Save As new ones. With good organisation and housekeeping you can always tidy up afterwards.
However if you are editing in Waveform view then any save that you do will overwrite the file. Generally though any file that is already open and in use by Audition in Multitrack mode won't be overwritten because the Multitrack view is always non destructive. Also any file already open in other software like AE will be protected from overwriting and you may have to manually import the new file and swap them over.
Thanks for clearing up difference between waveform and multitrack modes. I was in multitrack mode. When in waveform mode, Audition saved over the existing file as expected. Useful to know multitrack mode is nondestructive.
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