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New editing pc & monitor

May 8, 2012 10:29 AM

Hello!

 

I have to built a new video editing system a need same advices. I've been reading this forum and answered many questions i had, nevertheless i'd be very grateful with your opinions.

 

This is what i have in mind:

 

- ATX CoolerMaster CM690II

- CoolerMaster Silent Pro 800 Gold

- Asus Sabertooth X79

- Intel Core i7 3930K ( overclocked to 4.6 GHz, don't know what cooler i should use right now)

- Kingston HX 16GB DDR3/1600 (4x4 GB)

- Asus GTX570 1280M

- WD RE4 500 Gb (C:)

- 4x WD Black Caviar 1,5 Tb ( D: & E:  Raid 0)

- Bluray writer LG

- Windows 7 Pro 60 bit

 

I've noticed that Kingston memory is not very well accepted around here, any suggestions?

 

I also need some help choosing monitors:

 

- LG IPS236 V

- LG Flatron W2361V

- ASUS PA238Q

- ASUS VS239H

- Viewsonic VP2365WB

- Benq VW2420H

- DELL U2312HM

 

Does anyone have any experience with one of these?

 

Thank you!

 
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    May 8, 2012 11:22 AM   in reply to Goose82

    If you are using a pair of RAID0 drives as your media drives, then you need to have a secure backup routine in place.  Pairing drives like this doubles the risk of losing ALL your data due to drive failure.

     

    Having said that, I use two RAID0 arrays plus a single drive for exports, using Synctoy to backup to an external RAID1 at regular intervals.

     
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    May 8, 2012 3:06 PM   in reply to Goose82

    Also, you might want to rethink the case that you're going to get and/or its cooling: I have that case (the CM690II), and it can barely handle (with its stock cooling) an i7-2600K that's overclocked to only 4.4GHz. This is because its included fans, especially the intake fan, spin too slowly to do much good - even at their full maximum speeds. You'll either need to get higher airflow (and thus louder and noisier) fans or get a new, bigger, roomier case with larger, higher-airflow fans just to handle even a moderately overclocked i7-3930K (which runs significantly hotter than any LGA 1155 CPU)..

     
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    May 8, 2012 7:03 PM   in reply to Goose82

    I'd double that memory myself.

     
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    May 9, 2012 6:12 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    So which one would you advice RjL190365 and Jim?

     
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    May 9, 2012 11:47 AM   in reply to Gooseguest

    Not a clue.  I haven't done any research on those monitors.  (And I only do that when I'm the one buying.)

     
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    May 9, 2012 11:57 AM   in reply to Goose82

    I dont think its on your list, but I know lots of folks that have good things to say about the Dell Ultrabright 27" monitor.

     
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    May 9, 2012 1:08 PM   in reply to Goose82

    This particular monitor isn't on your list but one I can recommend is the HP LP2475w. I've had mine for coming up to three years and it's an excellent quality monitor. I've no idea on all the latest models but at the time it was one of the best monitors in the £400 price range that got you an IPS panel.

     
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    May 9, 2012 4:55 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    I mean, why you say that about Kingston memory Jim?

     
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    May 9, 2012 5:04 PM   in reply to Gooseguest

    I'm not Jim, but what he meant was to double the amount of RAM. Instead of just 16GB total, go with 32GB or 64GB of RAM with this LGA 2011 platform.

     
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    May 10, 2012 1:32 PM   in reply to Goose82

    The First Ideas for a new system

    http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html

     

    Premiere Pro benchmarks

    http://ppbm5.com/DB-PPBM5-1.php

     

    Video Cards for Adobe Premiere CS5 CS6 + tweaks

    http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm

     

     

    Sandy Bridge Memory Scaling: Choosing the Best DDR3

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosin g-the-best-ddr3

     

    CPU cooler, look at Coolermaster TPC-812

    http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2654&page=5

     

    To calculate the PSU power needed http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

    The best Power Supply reviews: (Also other interesting stuff too)

    http://www.silentpcreview.com/section10.html

    http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/page/power

     

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    In your monitor list the best choice without any doubt is the Asus PA238Q

    http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-asus-pa238q.html

    On the distant second position is the Dell U2312HM

    http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-dell-u2312hm.html

     

    For 10-bit output you need better monitors like Asus PA246Q, Dell U2711, NEC PA series, Quato Intelli Proof and Newer Eizo models, a Quadro class card + Display port + Windows 7/8 http://www.imagescience.com.au/kb/questions/152/10+Bit+Output+Support

     

    For photo/video we have to avoid monitors with TN panels because

    of the color/tone shift caused by the narrow viewing angle +- like 160/170º

    MUCH better options are the IPS panels with 178ºplus viewing angle.

    About the panels technology http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies.htm

     

    Reviews sites to check:

    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm

    http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/reviews.html

    In the Prad reviews pay attention to:

    -The UGRA test (download the PDF)

    -The panel brightness distribution

    -The gamut coverage (good place to compare http://www.iccview.de/content/view/3/7/lang,en/)

    -The contrast is the least important as any monitor have more contrast than any paper print.

    -Profile accuracy and the calibration curves, the good ones are in 45º

    http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt136/Pictus171/WEB%20stuff/ccurves.png

     
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    May 11, 2012 3:29 AM   in reply to Pictus 171

    Thank you Pictus 171.

     
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    May 11, 2012 4:47 PM   in reply to Goose82

    My case is a Corsair Carbide Series 500R model. There is tons of air flow. It keeps my computer nice and cool. As for the CPU cooler, I would suggest to go with a Corsair product again. The Hydro series are excellent. Personally, I have an H80 and my i7-3930K (OC 4.3 GHz) never goes beyond 62 or 63 degrees. But for about $20 more, you can get an H100. It is even more efficient than the H80.

     

    Regarding the mobo, I can only speak about the one I have: an Asus P9X79 Pro. I especially love the fact that it has a lot of USB ports - the USB 3 are fantastic! However, I recently read a review on Tom's Hardware web site and they recommended the Asus Rampage IV Extreme.

     

    I don't know if you've ever heard of the VideoGuys web site. But they have their own recommendations for builds using the more recent technology available.

     

    http://www.videoguys.com/Guide/E/Videoguys+DIY9+Its+Time+for+Sandy+Bri dge+E/0xe9b142f408a2b03ab88144a434e88de7.aspx

     
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    May 12, 2012 8:56 AM   in reply to Nicol Simard

    Thank you Nicol Simard, that's one of the coolers i'm watching such as Noctua NH-D14.

    I'm also considering the exchange of the video card, getting the GTX 670, but there is no precision about the release date here in Portugal.

     
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    May 12, 2012 10:09 AM   in reply to Gooseguest

    Yes, I believe the GTX670 would be a better choice. There is no point going to an earlier generation. Not when you are buying as a new generation of cards starts.

     
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    May 12, 2012 11:03 AM   in reply to Nicol Simard

    True, Nicol, unless you're forced to spend less than $350 USD on a graphics card. This is because some of the lower-end GeForce 600 series GPUs (these are released to OEMs initially) are rehashes of the previous Fermi generation GPUs. For example, the "new" GT 645 is really a GTX 560 SE - a GTX 560 Ti that's been cut all the way down to 288 CUDA cores and a 192-bit VRAM bus (versus 384 CUDA cores and a 256-bit VRAM bus in the original GTX 560 Ti). And there are three different versions of the GT 640, one of which is an old GT 545 DDR3 with a new name (the other two GT 640s are Kepler-derived).

     
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    May 12, 2012 11:24 AM   in reply to Nicol Simard

    There is no point going to an earlier generation. Not when you are buying as a new generation of cards starts.

     

    In this case, there is.  The new Kepler cards can't (yet) do ray-tracing in After Effects CS6.  The older cards can.

     
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    May 12, 2012 11:30 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    You are very right. The card isn't supported yet for this kind of apps. The intended purpose is the most important part in the choice of a card.

     
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    May 12, 2012 11:52 AM   in reply to RjL190365

    It's for those reasons I believe it is not snobbery to stay away from the lower rung video cards.

     
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    May 14, 2012 2:50 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Can you tell me if it's a matter of drivers (where Nvidia will fix it) or the Kepler platform itself?

     
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    May 14, 2012 10:16 AM   in reply to Gooseguest

    It's actually an Adobe issue.  Chances are there will be a fix to allow Kepler cards to do ray-tracing.  But we have no idea when that will occur.

     
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    May 25, 2012 9:54 AM   in reply to Goose82

    Ok, i have another issue, about the hard disk setup, after reading several posts about that, specially about x79 onboard raid controller i'm a little messy.

    My first idea was:

     

    - (c:) WD RE4 500 Gb

    - (d:) 2x WD Black Caviar 1,5 Tb (raid 0) for media and projects

    - (e:) 2x WD Black Caviar 1,5 Tb (raid 0) for media cache, previews and exports

     

    Is it better to keep this setup, or put all the disks as single ones?

     

    Thank you.

     
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    May 25, 2012 4:32 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Jim,

     

    That Kepler fix came today, in the form of the After Effects CS6 11.0.1 update.

     
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    May 25, 2012 4:38 PM   in reply to Gooseguest

    I'd keep things separate so that the data travels one way from the source data and the other way for the destinationi (rendered) file. The only problem with your two raid 0 setup is that you have no redundancy if a drive fails. For example, if one of the media and projects disks fails, you lose everything. If I were you, I'd have a back up drive as well.

     
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    May 27, 2012 10:16 AM   in reply to Nicol Simard

    Redundancy wouldn't really be a problem because i have about 4 tb of external hard drive backup. It would be better if i had an additional hard drive to projects and another to exports, and i will, since hard drives prices come down.

     
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    Jun 28, 2012 8:24 AM   in reply to Goose82

    Hello again!

     

    So, i've putted everything assembled and when i made the two raid 0 sets i've noticed that there is a slight difference in volume space recognized by windows.

    All disks are exactly the same model ( WD Caviar Black 1,5 Tb)

     

    Here is the raid 0 using Marvel controler ( showing 3000 gB):

     

    28-Junho-2012_15-34MarvellRaid.png

     

    And here is the raid 0 using intel controler ( showing only 2850 gB) :

    28-Junho-2012_15-41IntelRaid.png

     

    Why is this happening?

     

    Thank you.

     
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    Jun 28, 2012 9:32 AM   in reply to Gooseguest

    Each Raid Controller manufacturer uses a different system of Meta-data for the Raid volume table information. This is why the partition size is different for 2 raids on different raid controllers.

     

    Eric

    ADK

     
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