I am very curious how Adobe Illustrator became the 'default standard' in vector drawing programs? Was it simply because they were the first one out there?
I have been using Illustrator every day for about 17 years. I will admit that there are those that know it's nuances better than I, but I feel like I am a pretty skilled operator.
Every day finds some measure of frustration with this program. For me, it has been buggy has hell, and I find myself excited when a new release becomes available - not for new features - rather, in hopes that some of the bugs will be addressed.
That is a pretty pathetic statement to have to make.... "I can't wait till the next version arrives, so that it will hopefully fix some of the horrible glitches in the current version."
I also have CorelDraw... which I have used to a lesser degree. Everytime I use it, I find it extremely intuitive and the features far more useful. And, these useful features have generally been available years ahead of Adobe. There have been cases where Adobe has rolled out a new feature with a new release and made a big deal about it, when CorelDraw has had the feature for 8-10 years prior. Woo-hoo! Whoop-tee-doo.
Such simple tasks as selecting a 'node' for manipulation still proves to be a monumental task 80% of the time in illustrator. They knew it too... because they 'tried' to address THEIR problem by FINALLY inserting an option to allow a little easier selection.... which for me, still sucks.
AI Prefs is a fickle abomination and reminds me of the 'Soup Nazi' from a Seinfeld episode. If you don't treat Illustrator with the precise affection it thinks it deserves, it's 'No Soup For You!!" And it goes down in flames taking Illustrator with it.
Why do I use it then, you ask? Because my employer has been heavily invested in it for years - with multiple employees. Most of them have never tried CorelDraw... and are afraid to try anything new.... so for our company, Illustrators dominance is based upon longevity and ignorance.
Why don't I have problems with CorelDraw having internal preference errors? Why doesn't CorelDraw crash and 'RUN OUT OF MEMORY' constantly? Why don't I seem to have issues that people blame on corrupt fonts with CorelDraw - but I apparently do with Illustrator? Why does CorelDraw have FAR superior text features than Illustrator??
I almost purchased Illustrator 6 today - as stated above- in hopes it would fix some issues... but then I found that I would ALSO have to purchase about 5 plugins which are not yet available for Illustrator 6.... COSTLY plugins that perform functions that come standard with CorelDraw.. and have for YEARS.
Damn this program to the flaming pits of hell it deserves. One day, I will be triumphant... and will convince our bean counters that the real value is something other than Adobe: CorelDraw... which has multiple programs in it's bundle, which perform better for me and is less expensive than Adobe.
I am extremely frustrated...even typing in this Adobe forum is a chore... my text keeps bouncing around from one line to another at random - go figure. While I am at it - I also hate Macs. They are over-priced eccentric pieces of crap. I have a MacBook Pro 17"... and it performs no better, no faster than my Windows powerhouse. It's like owning a British car; lots of snob appeal, but it runs like $chitt. It runs the same programs - and programs Apple doesn't offer. I even had to bend the POS over my leg when I first got it, just to straighten it out so it would sit evenly on all four corners... as it rocked back and forth from one corner to the opposite corner. A $2,500 machine should at least sit flat on a ******* desk, don't you think?
My apolgies for ranting... this has been a flame-job against Adobe... an Adobe Hater's Manifesto. Maybe I will calm down and come to tolerate this program again till the next error message - or until tomorrow - whichever comes first.
Oh, joy. ill-ustrator just puked out again.... "Illustrator has stopped working and must be shut down." I wish they would have pop-ups telling me when Illustrator WAS working, because I'd see them a lot less.
Also wonder why CorelDraw files are 1/20th the size of ill-ustrator? Is there some way to feed Illustrator a digital Gas-X pill? It seems to suffer from bloating.
Hmm, I simply don't experience these issues.
(Using CS5. Used CS4 before that.)
If you check the default set of actions in the Actions Panel - I think it's 10th one down (mine's all modified up) - Delete All Unused, or something like that. Run it. It nixes all the default preset crap every new Illustrator has automatically embedded in it. Little bit of savings there. At least .Ai's aren't as bad as .PSD's.
Wade.... I expected push-back from the Adobe/Mac lovers, and I put myself out there for it. And that's alright.
First... the Mac version was never going to make a go of it. Mac lovers are generally Adobe lovers.... to think they'd take a good hard look at something in a way that would transition them to Corel was doomed to failure - and that was Corel's mistake.
But, in fairness... I did state I hate Macs... so why would I want to try a Mac version of Corel anyway - even if one did exist???
Finding a new job where they use CorelDraw is a poor solution for Adobe's inability to provide what I would consider a dependable program.
Adobe seems adept at rolling out features which are very similar to CorelDraw's.... a few per version; I simply wish they would roll out Corel's dependability.
I've noticed quite often, when someone becomes frustrated and vents like I just did... that people who are Adobe apologists go on the attack.... and I especially see that with Mac lovers if you talk poorly of Apple products. It's almost like you've spoken ill of one of their children.
If we get rid of Obama, and return to a place where jobs actually exist... I probably will look for an employer who uses Coreldraw. For now, I'll just crutch along with Adobe for my day job... and continue using CorelDraw for my Home Business.
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Sweeeeeet !! AI Prefs has only gone to hell 5 times today so-far.... and it is still early !! Could be a new record today. Woot ! Woot ! Time to do the Adobe Shuffle..... Restart the program/ Reconfigure my Preferences/ Waste more time/ and wait to do it all again in another hour.
Scott... I'm winding down on my rant.... and I apologize for 'going-off'... but man... how frustrating it gets.
If it's my OS/Hard disk... I cannot figure out why I am not experiencing other program issues... with Photoshop, Coreldraw or any number of other programs I've used. What is the link to illustrator?
The AI prefs may be sitting on a bad sector of the disk. It may have more to do with where the prefs file is in relation to bits, than the actual file. I can tell you that in almost every case, if I see a prefs file go bad more than once a year under normal usage it's traditionally due to an OS issue or some other hiccup when the system writes to disk. Your prefs file should rarely become corrupt.
Don't get me wrong. The prefs can corrupt at any time since it's all writing to disk. But I can't remember the last time I had to trash my prefs.
You should verify your fonts and delete font caches. Verify your drives. Log in as an other user and test. All this will probably help determine the issue. It's no wonder you rant if you are experiencing that much instability. It's not normal.
Thanks, Scott. Is it possible that a 'defrag' of the hard disk would rearrange the Hard Drive's data clusters so that any bad sectors are banned from use... with the result being that AI would then be writing it's pref file to a new location? I have Windows 7 Professional. Thanks. I may be done whining for a while... :-)
I'm a Mac user (which I know you hate). But yes, a defrag may help. An uninstall (and removing prefs) then reinstall may help as well. Illustrator itself is not as unstable as you've described. I assure you the AI Team makes every effort to ensure each release is as stable as possible and what you describe would NEVER be acceptable to them. Believe it or not... they do care about how the app performs.
Hate was probably too strong a term.... I just prefer Windows.
I will give your suggestion a shot.... thanks Scott.
PS - Usually when I go on a software rant, I discover it's my problem.... but Murphy's Law being what it is... I never discover this until AFTER my rant. So, I thought if I rolled out my rant early on... I'd figure out where I was making my mistake...hehe. How's that for twisted logic? ;-)
Todd there was indeed a Msc version of Corel Draw and heir Suite I own a copy it crashed so often and for every tool you used and it crashed the system as well. You could defrag clean install the sysemd remove all your fonts and it still would crash mostly because of memory issues. It just simply did not work and would not allow you to work as along as it was instlled on your computer.
What Scott is pointing at is that one of the features that is truly loved my most AI users is unlimited undos, vey handy feature bu8 it comes at a price. It requires the scratch disk but it also requires that the scratch be of continuous free space, that is continuous or it can bog down. The undos as I understand it cannot be stored in the RAM and so everytime you do something it adds it to the scratch, if you have a large scacth disk dedicated to Illustrator which you do not store any dta on then you are not likely to experience these problems when working with very large files, youae less likely to experience it with CS 6 as it uses the RAM more efficiently as wellas the scratcch and I would think capable of using uncontinuous free space on a scratch.
However if you are pro and you make your living working on large files or even if you are not a pro and you work on large files I would think you would get a dedicate scrach disk one with a large cache like 64MB and upgrade to CS 6 which is 64 bit.
As far as fonts are concerned you really want a program like Illustrator to tell you oh you have a problem something is causing a bottleneck on the bus and it might cause you a terrible problem in the future like it's corrupt and cnnot be opened because of an unkown error, like you used a corrupt font and now that you need the files four years later it is too late to do naything about.
Everyoen has had the misfortune of using a corrupt font, not knowing so and then later lost the file for good. Corel, Freehan, Canvas and Illustrator the fact that Illustrator is more sensitive to this issue is agood thing in the long run.
Perhaps this does not make sense to you but that is what I understand about the issues you refer to.
Hi Wade - thanks for overlooking my Adobe Hostility.... :-) Yes, I know there was a Mac version of CD... and I know it sucked. They never got it right and I don't think it was ever really embraced by the Mac community anyway... like I mentioned, I think [in general] Apple folks have always been content with Adobe because I believe they grew up together. Windows CD is quite nice though - I wish they could have worked the kinks out for the Mac end... but alas, they must have figured it didn't fullfill their hopes in terms of market share and decided it best to back away.
I have a drive which I use for a 'scratch disk.' It does have other data on it though... but no much... it is a terrabyte drive and literally has 950 gb of free space... wouldn't that be sufficient ... data or no data? I'm just asking... because I really don't know.
I'd like to upgrade to CS6... because I do have a 64bit OS... and I have a nice i7 processor/ 12gb of ram and a 10k rpm SAS boot drive. Be nice to take advantage of all the speedy hardware by combining 64bit CS6 into the mix. My CS5 Photoshop is already 64bit.
I'd like to get over the huge mountain of work I have at the moment... and then install a new, higher capacity boot drive.
I just noticed that my C/boot drive has a 'red' capacity level marker... and that I have 9.72 gb of free space out of a 136 gb drive. Maybe I am getting some conflicts due to space running a little slim on my boot drive?
I am with Scott on this.
As I remember it, in the days of the fair forums, before the merge, we seemed to reach a consensus on the Win side that corruption of the preferences was, at least mostly, caused by errors in saving by the OS to the harddisk. Some experienced it often or regularly, others never, under identical conditions; I have always been among the lucky ones. Obviously, there may be differences in vulnerability between versions. It might be mentioned that Windows Vista had a certain notoriety: sometimes, just deleting/moving the prefeferences, even the whole folder, was insufficient, so that it was also necessary to restart Windows to get a fresh start.
Todd, When you replace the preferences on AI do you go back each time and reset the scratch drive to the terrabit drive? If not, then AI defaults to the startup drive and this could be causing the problems. One method to help mitigate this could be to save a clean copy of a good Preference folder in another place and simply do a replacement of the trashed folder with the clean copy.
Oh, my goodness!
I would say it would be better to have a partition that was totally free of data, you don't need the whole drive. If you work with complex jobs I would think the partition could be no bigger than 100GB.
I never work on really large files so I don't have such a problem but CS 6 I only have the trial till my collection arrives is a lot snapper than CS5 or before.
To show you what I mean I do a test with 10,000 small squares that I apply the default drop shadow. CS 5 takes 3 minutes to do this and CS 6 takes 2 minutes but it is not just the speed you can see that the application is simply more responsive.
Larry - I always select the same E:/ (terrabyte) drive for the preferences... the E:/ drive being the third hard drive in my machine. I guess I'm not sure how to direct a new preferences file to a different location?
Seems like I have had more problems too, since I installed a Illustrator plugin/s called: Drawscribe and Vectorscribe... this could be a coincidence though.. as I didn't notice the issue immediately after installing the plugins.
The plugins I have in Illustrator are:
I would upgrade now to CS6 except that none of these plugins have been configured yet for CS6...... plus, they will cost $$ X4.
This is one reason why I say CorelDraw is superior in many ways.... doesn't need CadTools.... similar scaling feature built in way back in the late 80's/early 90's. Doesn't need Xtreme Path... has a nice corner rounding Fillet tool built in.... etc. And text handling crushes illustrator... ok... I better stop... nothing I can do about this for now.
Thanks for your patience guys... I truly appreciate it!
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