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Understanding how to save sessions

May 8, 2012 12:38 PM

Still learning how to do things, but I can't say enough about audition.

 

One thing that I'm not understanding very well is how to save my sessions with all of the media clips stored with them.

 

For instance, I produce a bunch of commercials for a client. I save them in one session to keep track of everything. In 3.0, I used to save them with the copies of associated files.

 

Then, when that client came back with one minor revision, I opened the session, copied the contents of one commercial over in the multitrack timeline (keeping it in the same session) so that I could create that revised copy, and still have the original in the same session.

 

When it came time to save, I saved it with the associated media files, and it let me save over the previous session, as well as adding the recently added media files to that folder that contained the session.

 

How do I achieve the same results. I know you can "export" the session, but for a project that is constantly updating, I want to be able to overwrite it and save it with all of the updates so that I'm not creating 30 different sessions for all the updates.

 

Confusing, i know...but it seemed so simple in 1.5 and 3. Now I'm a little lost.

 

I tried using the batch save all files, but then any multitrack envelope adjustments were lost after the batch save.

 

Help!

 

-Gavan

 
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    May 8, 2012 1:40 PM   in reply to gavanbrudererproductions

    Ignore my previous reply - I think I misunderstood what you were asking.  I'm still not entirely clear.

     

    You wish to keep the same session file, but what is it that you're trying to save with that session?  If you just copy and paste existing clips to elsewhere in the timeline, they are still referencing the original assets by default - there are no new files to copy.  If you copy them to unique clips, then new files ARE generated and they are stored in a subfolder where your .SESX session file is located.  There's no need to save the additional files as they are written to disk when generated.

     

    If I'm still not getting it, please elaborate a bit more as I'm pretty sure we have a solution for you in CS6.

     
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    May 8, 2012 1:58 PM   in reply to gavanbrudererproductions

    Okay, I'm still a bit slow of mind, so bear with me

     

    Are you dragging new audio in from some random location to be part of your new mix, and are asking how to have that piece of media automatically copied into your existing session folder?  Probably the simplest way to accomplish that would be to right-click on the clips you want to have copied within the session folder and choose Convert to Unique Copy.  A new file will be generated in your session folder and the clip will be relinked to the new file.  Nothing else about the clip or asset should change.

     
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    May 8, 2012 2:07 PM   in reply to gavanbrudererproductions

    Our internal file format is always WAV.  Mp3 is a lossy compression format, and if we used mp3 as the format for these files, the quality would degrade when you performed a mixdown.  When you open an mp3, we convert it to a WAV internally for all processing and playback.

     
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    May 9, 2012 9:20 AM   in reply to gavanbrudererproductions

    The envelopes in the new session are reset?  Envelopes on clips or tracks in a multitrack session do not affect the actual assets on disk.  If you absolutely need these rendered down, I'd suggest exporting to OMF which will render each clip including effects and automation to a flat file.  You could also use the Export to Premiere Pro command which will render your session down to complete stems, depending on the needs of your out of house organization.

     
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    May 10, 2012 1:41 AM   in reply to gavanbrudererproductions

    Durin's right - I don't think that Saving Audio as Batch Process is the way forward at all with this. Envelopes are only stored in the session file for your multitrack session, not on the audio itself. So just saving the audio does exactly what it says on the can...

     
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    May 10, 2012 8:35 AM   in reply to gavanbrudererproductions

    Ahh - I think this is just a misunderstanding ;-)

     

    We have added "Save copies of associated files" back to Audition CS6 but we moved it into our session export operation (instead of save).

    Simply go to File > Export > Session.

    From here, check the option for "Save copies of associated files" and click the Options button to choose the format and location for the session and files.

     

    I think this is what you're looking for.

     

    --Ron

     
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    May 10, 2012 8:45 AM   in reply to gavanbrudererproductions

    I think what you could do (because we are now using this through export and not save) is this:

     

    File > Export > Session.

    Check the option for "Save copies of associated files".

    Also check the box for "Open session after saving".

     

    When the newly exported session opens after the save, work off of that session (with the sesion files in their new location) so any new files created will be for that exported session and in that sesion location.

    From that point on you can just perform a regular save and everything created will be in the correct location.

     

    Does that work?

     

    --Ron

     
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    May 10, 2012 10:03 AM   in reply to gavanbrudererproductions

    No, we do not automatically copy files you are referencing in a session to a local directory. Any time you add a file into a session and save that session, Audition will simply save a reference to the original location of that file. This was also the way it worked in every previous version of Audition (and Cool Edit) ever released.

     

    My suggestion for your worflow would be to import your netfwork files to a local folder (within the session directory) and import the files from there.

    If this is not an option you will need to save the files locally sometime later and re-save the session.

     

    To clarify the way this feature was inteneded to behave, the idea is that you are choosing to export the session and copies of everything in the session to bundle it all in one place. The problem is that if you then continue opening files from other locations, we still just reference a link to the location where you are importing from (nomal session behavior for Audition). If you then want to make sure everything is still bundled all in one place, you will have to re-export everything OR just save copies of the newly imported files to that session directory.

     

    Again, this is the same way all previous versions of Audition have always behaved.

    It sounds like you are requesting a new feature to have all imported files copied to a specified location...which I do think is a good suggestion.

     

    --Ron

     
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    May 10, 2012 10:42 AM   in reply to Ron_Day

    Hi! Ron, with all respect. Gavan is not asking for a 'new feature', but he wants, and me also, to reimplement the 'save as' option in multitrack mode of version 3.01

    Regards Hank

     
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    May 10, 2012 12:09 PM   in reply to Hank Dussen Productions

    Hey Hank,

     

    Maybe I'm not explaining this correctly, but what I'm trying to say is that we already re-added that ;-)

    It's under File > Export > Session now, but it essentially does the same thing if you choose to open the saved session after export.

     

    Please let me know the exact workflow you used in Audition 3 if you find that this is not working the same way after trying it.

     

    Thanks,

    --Ron

     
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    May 10, 2012 12:26 PM   in reply to Ron_Day

    Ron,

     

    I think the main issue with the Export path is if the user is trying to overwrite an open session, it fails.  Where Save As can overwrite the open session just fine, it doesn't include the "Save associated audio files.." option.

     

    I suspect if we added that option to the Save As dialog, and included some logic to only write files that don't already exist, it would solve the majority of Gavin and Hanks request.

     
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    May 10, 2012 1:26 PM   in reply to gavanbrudererproductions

    Ahh - I knew I had to be missing something here ;-)

    I do recall discussing this when the featrue was implemented and there was some reason why it had to be done as an export (with the new architecture).

     

    We'll make sure this is added to the backlog and reviewed for future versions.

     

    Thanks for stepping in and clarifying the expected behavior Durin.

     

    --Ron

     
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    May 10, 2012 2:10 PM   in reply to Ron_Day

    Hi Ron, This is exactly my point also and i'm happy that I could give the assist for Gevan's goal!  But I hope the new pdf manual is coming soon. I hate that trial & error workflow. The move (V) thing for instance. Not difficult if you know how to do it. But it must be said; the CS6 version is very fast and will be an improvement.

     
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    Jan 21, 2013 10:34 PM   in reply to gavanbrudererproductions

    Hi.  I'm new to Audition as part of CS6 but have noticed its saving behavior is much different than the older Soundbooth.

     

    For some reason, Audition seems unable to save over any file that is already existing. 

     

    This includes when Audition is called from Adobe Aftereffects to edit a soundtrack.  Whatever changes you make in the edit will not be saved to the edited track.

     

    I can export a changed file, but if that file exists, export won't overwrite it either.

     

    Is this normal behavior?

     
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    Jan 22, 2013 3:38 AM   in reply to kwanimator

    In a professional audio processing environment it is considered much safer to keep your original files and always Save As new ones. With good organisation and housekeeping you can always tidy up afterwards.

     

    However if you are editing in Waveform view then any save that you do will overwrite the file. Generally though any file that is already open and in use by Audition in Multitrack mode won't be overwritten because the Multitrack view is always non destructive. Also any file already open in other software like AE will be protected from overwriting and you may have to manually import the new file and swap them over.

     
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    Jan 22, 2013 11:52 AM   in reply to ryclark

    Thanks for clearing up difference between waveform and multitrack modes.  I was in multitrack mode.  When in waveform mode, Audition saved over the existing file as expected.   Useful to know multitrack mode is nondestructive.

     
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