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Noel Carboni 23,523 posts
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Is The New Forum Design In Transition?

May 10, 2012 8:43 AM

I've got to say, the forum just feels broken as it is.

 

And I'm not just talking about little formatting glitches needing cleaning up.  I'm talking about the fairly significant number of features that have gone missing, such as listing who a reply is to, listing the post and points counts, etc.

 

More broken than it did.

 

My question is this: 

 

Is what we see what we're going to get, or are we in transition to something better?

 

-Noel

 
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    May 10, 2012 8:45 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Yes, and yes!

     

    The skin you're looking at now is the overall design that Adobe have decided to keep, but the team developing it are still releasing updates to fix issues and alter the feature set available.

     
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    May 10, 2012 8:53 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    A new meaning of WYSIWYG.

     
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    May 10, 2012 1:57 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    As Noel said about Einstein's Comment. I agree.

     

    Computer Makers and Software Companies have suddenly decided that despite education level of people. They assume everyone has the inteligence of 4 year olds.

     

    There should be educational programs for school but when you become adults you should be treated as adults, and assume that people have adult inteligence. Therefore Computers should be computers, and Computer Programs should be written with adult intelligence in mind.

     

    While I may not be the very brightest Bulb in the bunch. I've been able to get around just fine in any application.  All this new look and feel started with Google Chrome.  everyone is working so fast to emulate it.

     
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    May 10, 2012 10:55 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    It's not the best term, I agree - to be technical what you're seeing is a 'theme'. Jive is a template-driven CMS just like Drupal, Joomla, Wordpress, etc. so there are two aspects to a theme - the CSS controls the visual layout of the pages, and the template files control what the underlying HTML says. Adobe have re-written both parts. For example there's a Jive variable  for the Report button, and in the page template it results in a plain hyperlink immediately after your avatar and before the text of your message; which the CSS then hoofs over to the right and colors gray. If something is removed from the template (such as the variable for the reply number) all the CSS in the world won't bring it back.

     

    In theory the template could send everything and the CSS could just hide the bits Adobe don't want, but aside from security issues the goal is to reduce the amount of data sent to the browser.

     

     

    Noel Carboni wrote:

     

    "Skin" implies colors, shapes, sizes - but not functionality.

     

     
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    May 11, 2012 7:53 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Yes and yes - but that doesn't necessarily mean the plan worked.

    Noel Carboni wrote:

     

    On purpose, and with a plan, right?

     

     
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    May 11, 2012 8:00 AM   in reply to Dave Merchant

    I do hope Adobe will increase the FONT SIZE!.  It gives me a headache to read this fine print.

     

    Am using a 24 inch monitor.

     

    The other biggee is the LAST Post link.

     
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    May 11, 2012 8:27 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel, well DUH!.  Never thought to click on the Last Post column.  Works well.  Always used the Last Post link that was right of Discussions.  Thanks for the hint.

     

    Yes, I could use the zoom, but I am like Claudio in that I refuse to resort to add ons and "fixes" to force the forum to work the way it should.

     
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    May 11, 2012 8:57 AM   in reply to Curt Y

    I like forcing both hardware and software to work the way I want. 

     
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    May 11, 2012 10:59 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel Carboni wrote:

     

    Hey Curt, I've been resistant to use the zoom feature on the browser, because doing so is kind of like admitting defeat by old age, but it does work with this site.  Try pressing Control + and see if it doesn't become more comfortable.

     

    Tiny is the new black.

     

    -Noel

    Or use FireFox and NoSquint!. That way you can set magnification of Background and Fonts spearately.  Set it like it should be.

     

    here is an example: https://skitch.com/pjonescet/83uiq/fullscreen

     
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    May 11, 2012 12:43 PM   in reply to station_one

    station_one wrote:

     

    I like forcing both hardware and software to work the way I want. 

    I prefer trying to ask for the changes I want when I am given the chance to do so with a minimum of hope of being taken into account. Without any knowledge of how these things work, I would say that most of the features I have asked should be pretty easy to change. And, after all, if many participants report -say- readability problems, maybe they are right...

     
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    May 11, 2012 12:51 PM   in reply to Phillip Jones

    Phillip Jones wrote:

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    Or use FireFox and NoSquint!. That way you can set magnification of Background and Fonts spearately.  Set it like it should be.

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    But Phillip, why should I and many, many others, have to spend time and efforts in setting things as they should be (your words)? I would perhaps consider trying to customize the forums if I was asking for very personal features nobody else wants, but not for making message texts readable, or recovering unnecessarily wasted space.

     
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    May 11, 2012 1:23 PM   in reply to Claudio González

    You shouldn't. But once they decide on something they are not going to fix it.  They will fix bugs, but that is it. So you have to customize the way it should be.  If You wait on Adobe to fix anything right, people will be throwing Dirt in your face when your being buried.

     

    Your lucky if you get any changes at all. Adobe and others are no longer interested in customers and users. They are so flush with Cash they can ignore the desires and wishes of users.

     
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    May 11, 2012 1:26 PM   in reply to station_one

    station_one wrote:

     

    I like forcing both hardware and software to work the way I want. 

    Exactly the User should be able have software and hardware to work the way the user wants it.

     
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    May 11, 2012 2:20 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    This whole forum complex has been in a state of transition since it was first inflicted on users.  For every improvement we get at least one step backwards.

     

    And now we have light blud on light gray, light gray on slightly darker gray, etc, etc.  I an't see that any real thought has been put into this New and Improved "design".

     

    Yes, I'm complaining!

     
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