There are many different input devices...I use a 3D mouse for CAD. I've had the Watcom on my radar for a while but haven't decided which is the right one. I thought it would speed photo editing.

Physicians say a good physician knows 50 drugs. There are many more than 50, but 50 is apparently sufficient to be good in your specialty.

There are so many different tools, each with a myriad of features, know one knows are uses them all. Adobe dropped Audition a while back for SoundBooth...clearly audio editing wasn't an issue for them. I used Audition when it was still Cool Edit Pro. CS6 seems to have fixed some of the features lost when they changed the code base in CS5 for Mac compatibility.

This is a case where a clear flaw in Adobe's feature use and product planning came out. There is a significant subset, possibly a majority, of users who didn't use the jog and shuttle. But there is a significant number who did. Some in ways that weren't envisioned, such as Bob's use of the Watcom tablet.

It needs to be put back way before CS7. Like next month.

Shooternz

You obviously dont' respect people who disagrees with you. If they deleted the features used by a "minority" these products would have very few features.

Your mypotic view of hitting keys on a keyboard is, well, myoptic. You might realize that we still edit video sequentially, just like a tape machine. You are just using forward and back buttons. And you might also realize even film was composed of discrete frames.

"Pros"??? Define a pro. A dedicated editor for feature films or broadcast TV? An event videographer who spends time selling his services, shooting, and editing? A documentary or low budget film maker who does their own editing? Someone in a marketing or communications department who does it as one of 20 other tasks, editing maybe 10 hours/month or less? Etc., etc., etc.

Premier Pro targets many markets. Someone who sits at screens and edits 90% of the time may (or may not) move between all the nuances with alacrity. Most people won't. One example is the tools window, hardly necessary if you know the key codes. Unless you are using the controls with your mouse and don't even have your hands on the keyboard!

This was an important feature to a large number of users who were missed in Adobe's product research. It needs to be brought back and with the optional key controls in the Source and Program windows it can be brought back easily in a bug fix update. The code already exists.

On the feature side rolling shutter is new, warp stabilizer was in CS5.5 After Effects. Audition now sprouted a Plural Eyes like audio track sync but for some reason they didn't put it in Premier. That I would expect to make CS7 or CS6.5

Jim,

Myoptic was response to the tone of the poster I was respondng to. On the otherhand, your use of some features and not of others further supports my point. What if Adobe removed a feature you used heavily and had selected over another technique. You are left with your second choice, which may be a distant second choice.

Note: I have nothing against having robust keyboard commands. There are lots of things they work well for, even JLK. Adobe predefine 48 keyboard commands plus another 18 for multi camera and workspace selection. Without looking, how many of those commands do you know? If you don't use Premiere for a week, or a month, or longer how many would you remember. Most Premiere Pro users are not daily use pros. When they sit down at the monitor they may remember 10 keyboard commands, maybe 5, maybe none. If you edit 30-50 hours/wk you would be at the high end for a Premiere user.

The use of the Wacom (sorry about the earlier misspelling) tablet was one unexpected use. It may be good, it probably not best for everyone. What percentage of Premier Pro and Photoshop users have one? Extensive support and some features frequently visible have funtionaly that can only be accessed with the tablets.yet they are certainly not universal.

If there was a feature I would like it would be for a ganged monitor to follow a clip while it was played. I would like to watch the scopes just as if I was viewing the while shooting (which DV Rack offered for DV and HDV but was never upgraded by Adobe) and Blackmagic UltraScope does now for SD, HD, and 3Gb/s SDI inputs. I don't know why it wasn't done a long time ago for Premiere.

Note: I'm not saying Adobe acted maliciously, just that their process was flawed and has resulted in a bad product decision that adversely impacts many users. Those users are not the ones that will leave for Avid. But they are the ones that may leave for Sony Vegas which I did before Premiere Pro came out.

By the way, I opened the button editor to confirm nomeclature before my last reply. There is a significant programming error, the dialog box is set to system modal instead of application modal. It is on top of this broswer window now.

When they fix that they can add the jog and shuttle controls to it. Which I would like to see before Independence Day.

I think they are flawed because they removed a feature that is used by a significant portion of the user base. One-third of the posters in this thread use one or both of the removed controls. The type of users most likely to miss it a) are least likely to use this forum (and probably don't even know it exists), b) probably haven't downloaded CS6 yet, and c) are less likely to seek a remedy than a heads-down editor. Most likely, they will be less happy with Premiere, less likely to recommend it, and more likely to seek an alternative.

Flawed was correct. This topic has been the core of marketing research theory and practice for 50 years. From my grad school days, a 1950s survey of brownie preferences ended up with something best described as a thick, chocolate milk.

The people at Adobe most skilled in this area were more likely on strategic initiatives such as the placement of Creative Cloud relative the various CS6 suites.

Jon, my ShuttlePro is acting a little funny with CS6.  Particularly the jog wheel.  I think the video is lagging my movement of the wheel, making it very hard to do accurate movement.  Are you experiencing that?

Jumanous wrote:

 

J/K are useless unless  you could customize the increments... i.e. 1x 1.25x 1.5x 2x 3x...

You can....hit J or L multiple times and it increments. Hold down shift as you press J or L and you get smaller increments. It's very nice.

Sorry you're having such a hard time on CS6. Having upgraded from CS5 (not 5.5) to CS6, and having gone through all the previous versions, I'm very pleased with CS6. I like a lot of the enhancements, the playback is a bajillion times better, etc.

I do have my own issues, and there are bugs....I'm currently cataloguing my likes/dislikes/bugs/feature requests as I work through my first few projects in CS6 and I'll make my grievances known in due time, but for all the little nitpicks, I still really love all the little improvements and some things are making my life exceptionally better in the edit.

FWIW....Adobe Media Encoder is also a bajillion times better than CS5. It's really a very full featured encoder now, and has to be making Sorensen Media sweat.

I'm with you.  I can't believe jog & shuttle are gone.  I used them in EVERY editing project.  I have a Wacom tablet for graphics work and found that it actually operates very well as a shuttle with Premiere Pro CS6.  Still, I'm deeeeeeeply disappointed that Adobe has removed such useful and needed features.  I want them back.  But until then, Wacom to the rescue.  The CTI misses by a mile for fine tuning.  The JKL option is a dog.  I like dogs, but not this one.  This one is an ugly dog.  While I'm on a rant, I'm not at all pleased with the wide/telephoto tool.  I want the mountain icon version back.  It's so much easier to use.

Who was in charge of customer research at Adobe??? 

mhdiver wrote:

 

I'm with you.  I can't believe jog & shuttle are gone.  I used them in EVERY editing project.  I have a Wacom tablet for graphics work and found that it actually operates very well as a shuttle with Premiere Pro CS6.  Still, I'm deeeeeeeply disappointed that Adobe has removed such useful and needed features.  I want them back.  But until then, Wacom to the rescue.  The CTI misses by a mile for fine tuning.  The JKL option is a dog.  I like dogs, but not this one.  This one is an ugly dog.  While I'm on a rant, I'm not at all pleased with the wide/telephoto tool.  I want the mountain icon version back.  It's so much easier to use.

 

Who was in charge of customer research at Adobe??? 

FYI - depending on which Wacom you have, you can use the scroll pad on the Wacom tablet. You may already be doing that, just wanted to be sure you were aware of it.

I don't care for the new scroll bar combined with the zoom...however, I never ever used that mountain icon. Not even once, in all 10+ years of using this software. I like new scroll in/out definition (matching AE) but what I think would REALLY be awesome is a zoom control similar to Photoshop....you activate the zoom tool with "Z" key, and then click and drag left/right to zoom in/out. Drag further, zoom goes further. It's very fast and responsive. Dennis Radeke went beserk zooming in and out in Photoshop last night and about gave the whole crowd an epileptic seizure.

That would be a good feature request. Still mouse based, like the old scroll left/right function. If you're willing to take your hand off the mouse, though, you CAN still scroll (very rapidly, in fact) left/right in the timeline. Just use up/down (arrow up/down) when the timeline is the active panel and it will page left/right with each tap. Try it, it is very fast.Totally keyboard driven, which I think is of course the theme of this release. Keep your hands in one place as much as possible.

Speaking of the Adobe demo last night, I saw a total keyboard driven edit sequence that blew my mind. Trimming, rolling edits, ripple edits....everything done without touching the mouse. Very fast, but requires me learning how to work that way, of course.

I too used the jog shuttle a lot.  I prefered being able to watch the screen, and precisely adjust position without having to look down, or contort my fingers on the keyboard. 

When I noticed it was missing, my first thought was, "oh, the've hid it.  No problem."  I started digging around, found the "+" symbol, and thought, "ah, ok here's where I can turn it back on..."  Nope.

Why the dell would you guys *remove* such a basic long standing editing tool?  That's like removing all the buttons from the front of a AV receiver, "because most people use the remote"...

I can see hiding it if you want to streamline the interface, but don't just flat out remove something like that.  It makes no sense at all.  What did you gain?  I mean, how was removing it, better, than leaving it? 

*PLEASE* bring it back, and allow the user the choice, if they want it hidden or not.

If Hawkins does like it he doesn't need to use it or display it. To reject the rights of others to have a different opinion, and clearly lots of people with a different opinion, is rude.

Alex ... that's a pretty horrible attitude.   DavidNJ is dead right.  Unclutter by all means, but leave the option to use the old interface.