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    Oct 15, 2011 2:08 PM   in reply to Honeydew56

    How did you get your money back?

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Oct 16, 2011 6:51 AM   in reply to blackdaug49

    blackdaug49 wrote:

     

    Just had to jump in on this discussion. I am running windows 7 ultimate on new Dell with a 50 INCH HD moniter, and I can not see the toolbars or pallette either in photoshop.

     

    That HD monitor has what, 1080 pixels vertically in about 24.5 inches of display area?  SO that's what, 44 pixels / inch?  That's less than half the pixel density on a typical computer monitor - meaning everything will more than double the size most folks see.

     

    From how far away are you viewing this 50" monitor?

     

    Your Photoshop menu text, which is normally about 9 or 10 pixels high, will be almost 1/4" high on that monitor.  Folks with a typical 100 ppi monitor can see what that would look like here:

     

    At44PPI.jpg

     

    I suggest that if you cannot see that, and you're not trying to view it from across the room, then you may have set something wrong.  Is it not sharp?

     

    -Noel

     
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    Oct 16, 2011 7:31 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel,

     

    I lot of us here would like to know how you get the font that large!  That is certainly readable, but there is no way to get my monitor, which is 24 inches and at it's native resolution--or even a step or two down from it's native resolution--and my fonts set at 150%, to display the PS UI they way it appears above. 

     
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    Oct 16, 2011 8:03 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Image3.png

    BTW, my 24" Dell monitor has a native resolution of 1920 x 1200 pixels.  This is an example of what I am seeing also--remember my fonts are set through windows to be 150%.  Click on this image to get the true size of what I am seeing.

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Oct 16, 2011 9:00 AM   in reply to sjhpubs

    No, that was a mock-up of what the person with the 50" monitor would see.  I'm just trying to understand how someone who's gone to such an extreme is still unable to see 1/4" characters.

     

    Unfortunately, there is no way to change the size of the UI elements that are giving you trouble, outside of using a pixel count that's not the native resolution of your LCD.  It's a known shortcoming in the Photoshop UI design.

     

    -Noel

     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:48 AM   in reply to Honeydew56

    Discussion moved in Photoshop General

     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Jan 30, 2012 5:37 AM   in reply to Honeydew56

    I'd like also to point out this feature request thread, where users that would like to see resolution independence could vote fo the support of resolution independence: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/problem_with_hi_ res_monitors

     

    With reports of future intel chipsets supporting up to 4k x 4k pixels http://www.anandtech.com/show/4838/ivy-bridge-gpu-to-support-resolutio ns-of-up-to-4096x4096, and ongoing rumors of "HiDPI" Mac Displays: http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/14/apple-to-launch-2880x1800-resoluti on-retina-display-macbook-pro-in-q2-2012/ this is definitively an issue that should be on the radar of Adobe's User Experience team.

     
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    Feb 18, 2012 6:52 PM   in reply to Honeydew56

    I have a solution for Windows 7 users! It's not perfect but it works pretty well.

     

    Windows 7 users, go to your start menu and type "Magnifier". An option for a software program called Magnifier will appear. Click it. Zoom to 200% (or more, whatever your preference) then click the "Views" button. From the Views drop down menu select either "Lens" or "Docked". Lens gives you a floating square that enlarges everything it passes over. Docked creates a wide bar across the top of your screen that magnifies everything your mouse passes over. Once you've selected your favourite option, minimize the magnifier program (but don't close it) and start using Photoshop.

     

    Now you should be able to see everything magnified!

     

    I also suffered from tiny text in Photoshop and this helped me SO MUCH.

     
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    Feb 21, 2012 3:38 AM   in reply to bcuzimpretty

    Since posting this problem back in May 2010 I have just, as you all have, learned to live with the rottenly small size of the menu items in Photoshop.  In all this time Adobe has not done anything to rectify this - shame on them.

     

    But recently I stumbled upon an odd side effect of an iPad 2 app.  Splashtop is an app that streams content from your desktop pc to, in my case, an iPad.  When I open the app on the iPad, it finds my pc and links to it.  If I was using e.g. Photoshop on my desktop pc, I get a mirror image of it on the iPad, so I can edit Photoshop images on the iPad (sometimes easier than endless mousing).

     

    But, when running Splashtop from the iPad it causes my desktop monitor to display EVERYTHING much larger.  Yes, folks, even the Photoshop menu bars, and the drop down items.  I have no idea why it does this or if it is just something I have set without knowing it.  I just downloaded the app and set it up and it magnifies the whole display on my pc.  When I close the app on the iPad the pc monitor just reverts to its normal display size. 

     

    http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/splashtop-remote-desktop-for/id38250931 5?mt=8

     
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  • Trevor Dennis
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    Feb 21, 2012 4:43 AM   in reply to gambist1

    I don't know if it has already been suggested back up the thread (too many posts to trawl through) but would one of the specialist keeyboards help?

     

    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3176/2604351980_45f790a27e_z.jpg

    View larger

     

    I use a 30inch Dell 1920*1200 monitor, and I have very poor eyesight, but get by OK because like most folk here, I use the shortcuts for tools, or just know where they. But I think a 2560*1600 pixel screen would prove difficult for me, and my 19 inch 1920 x 1200 laptop is already unusable for Photoshop for me.

     

    Tom's hardware was discussing 4K and even 8K televisions recently.  That's 3840*2160 for 4K, and 7680*4320 for 8K.  4K is bound to filter across to computer monitors within the next few years - that is to say, possibly within the lifetime of CS6.  They are already talking about a 10 inch display with a 2048*1536 resolution for the iPad3.  I sounds like a bit of a leap for the graphic card manufactuers, but it is obviously doable.

     

    So bottom line here, CS6 will have the tool icons issue fixed.

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Feb 21, 2012 6:17 AM   in reply to gambist1

    Does your "Splashtop" app cause your desktop pixel count to change (I suspect it does)?  What's your monitor's native resolution and what's your desktop size when running Splashtop?

     

    By the way, not everyone thinks the small menus are "rotten".  I very much like everything to be small - I have sharp monitors (two of them), good eyes (when I wear my glasses), and having the UI elements small gives me more room to do the real work. 

     

    While I certainly believe the Photoshop UI should be made to follow user preferences, I just don't want Adobe to think, because the only comments ask for it to be larger, that they should just make it all larger.

     

    -Noel

     
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    May 1, 2012 10:04 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Just adding my voice, I have a 1920x1080 15" monitor on my laptop, and so I have the text scaling set to 'Larger' and that generally works very well.  If Adobe feels like CS5 must have their very own special UI, fine, but it needs to take accessibility cues from the native OS.

     
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    May 18, 2012 2:43 PM   in reply to ohnoezitasploded1

    I just installed c6, I would assume by now (after 3 versions) adobe would of listened to users with hi res screens and allowed a larger UI if needed like some of the other adobe programs.  Guess what, I can't find any improvement except a darker screen. What a let down.

     
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    Sep 3, 2013 11:06 AM   in reply to dhawn6

    Who in the heck is looking at the cs6 windows UI?  They need someone over 40 to do it..

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    May 18, 2012 5:17 PM   in reply to rob_adams

    I'm 54 and have no problem with it.  It's because I have excellent computer glasses.

     

    If you use a computer all the time, consider spending the effort and money to get some good computer eyeglasses.  Don't let the optometrist doing the testing tell you "that's close enough", either.  Get them to mock up your prescription and allow you to look at a real computer screen.  You should be able to see every pixel in discrete glory.

     

    If you can't see the small UI elements you're going to miss things in your photo work too.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Sep 3, 2013 11:05 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    What size monitor do you have?  What resolution?

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    May 18, 2012 7:19 PM   in reply to rob_adams

    Two Dell 2001FP 1600 x 1200 100 ppi LCD monitors.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Sep 3, 2013 11:05 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    I'm using a dell 30" @2560x1600.  Allows for great flexibility, but PS menus stink... Toooo tiny

     
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    May 18, 2012 8:36 PM   in reply to rob_adams

    Well I've been trying for 2 years to get adobe to offer the option to have larger IU menu's in photoshop (without work arounds) I was hoping it would be in this version.  I guess they don't care about their customers, and after all, I still keep buying their product.  When using the dell 30" at its best resolution the quality of the pictures is superb and easy to work with. Although It is difficult to read the UI menu's because they are so small with 2560x1600,( by straining, even with special glasses they are readable) it would be nice to be able to see them just a little larger, as other programs allow, and has been requested many times by users.    When paying what they want for cs6 it seems like they could at least listen and try to improve IU menu's size.  I can't even get a reply that they are concerned.  Has anybody tried different color combinations that help, if so what is working.

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    May 19, 2012 5:38 AM   in reply to dhawn6

    Well, at 100 ppi, my monitors show UI elements at the same size your Dell 30" does.  I personally find the light text on dark background more comfortable, but I sometimes get a sensitivity to light (migraines), and I'm not sure it's because the dark background makes things more readable that it feels better to me.  The menus seem quite readable each way (dark on light or light on dark).

     

    Out of curiosity, when you view this forum, do you use the browser zoom?  I leave it at 100%.

     

    Have you run the ClearType Text Tuner application?

     

    -Noel

     
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    Jan 25, 2013 7:11 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    For the number of years this conversation has been going on, it seems obvious that Adobe has no commercial interest in solving the visibilty problem. That's a shame.

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Jan 25, 2013 7:58 AM   in reply to macs#47granddad

    Well, it may be a long-running discussion but to be fair it's not exactly a red-hot subject.  The prior post was 8 months ago.

     

    How things are can be explained...

     

    Parts of the software are still from a time in the 1980s/1990s when you got what you got and were happy to get it.  Computers hadn't embraced graphics for long, and they were just powerful enough to run things at ONE size, with ONE font.  Screens were small and processors were slow.

     

    Chances are it would take a HUGE rewrite to make Photoshop fully compliant with modern accessibility themes (keeping in mind the history, and also that it runs on both PC and Mac with just a re-compile).  Adobe, by creating unexpected new problems every time it's updated, has shown quite clearly that the software is complex beyond belief and difficult to work on at best.

     

    Given that Adobe is making billions from it just the way it is now, perhaps they just can't justify breaking a lot of things in the product for millions of satisfied customers just to help a few thousand more.  At the end of the day Adobe's not in business to provide a service to every man, woman, and child, but to make money for its stockholders.  None of them, you can be sure, would want to take a 30% hit in profits to make the system more accessible to you.

     

    In a commercial environment products can be suitable for purposes - or not.  In the latter case, people just don't buy them.

     

    I'm sure if they were starting it over from scratch they'd design in accessibility features and make sure they were implemented in a flexible way.  That's just not how it is.

     

    -Noel

     
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    May 28, 2013 5:27 PM   in reply to macs#47granddad

    Yes.  Much agreed.

     

    I was amazed to see this microscopic UI could not be adjusted.  You would think that a company that likes to exploit its reputation as industry leader by charging triple what the products are worth, and that stands on its head to block unpaid users, would have a little more pride than to offer products like this to the public without a clear warning displayed prominently.  The trendy black-on-charcoal look is bad enough.  These speck-o-dirt icons and side-effects fonts are not to be believed.

     

    For the benefit of all the Windows tips and tricks experts here, I've driven these boxes for 20 years, and I build my own machines.  I know my way around Windows.  The OS cannot compensate for this issue.

    .............

    After Effects CS6

     
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    Sep 1, 2013 3:04 PM   in reply to ergurney

    Has this been fixed in CS6 or CC?

     
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    Sep 1, 2013 5:34 PM   in reply to ShikiMeow

    I'm not a Cash Cow subscriber, but I can confirm that the cr@ppy, tiny interface disgrace is there in CS6, Photoshop 13.0.5.

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Sep 3, 2013 11:01 AM   in reply to station_two

    Virtually nothing, UI size-wise, has changed with Photoshop CC since Photoshop CS6.

     

    Only thing is that with Photoshop CS6 and newer, you can choose a dark background with light icons and text, which for me makes things MUCH easier on the eyes.  But I think others (e.g., station_two) feel the opposite.

     

    I suggest for those having trouble seeing the small UI elements in Photoshop, that you consider whether your display monitor is providing you a crisp, clear view of the application.  There is a world of difference between a good monitor that renders each pixel discretely and clearly, and the many that don't.  Often smaller UI elements can be acceptable if they're crisp and bright.

     

    And let's not forget that Photoshop is a professional application, which needs to put a LOT of controls on the screen.  Making them larger goes against that, which is probably why Adobe hasn't made adding an upsizable interface high on their priority list.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Sep 3, 2013 11:05 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    We have seen some utility programs cause Photoshop to draw it's UI smaller than normal.  If the icons look resampled, not smooth - then something is wrong and you need to check your system for utilities that might interfere with drawing.

     
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    Nov 17, 2013 12:35 PM   in reply to Chris Cox

    well its november 2013

    today i subscribed to CC and downloaded ae on my 27 inch imac.

    i am shocked at the size of the interface font and found no way to make it more readable.

    i am 47 years old, my eyes have seen better days, but this, as an interface is just damaging, to me. After 20 minutes, my eyes hurt ! are there no regulations defining what what makes a software interface acceptable at work? if i suffer injury because of this, who is paying the bill?

     

    its the end of 2013, we are looking at 4k monitors for next year. I will need a magnifying glass to be able to use adobe software on these screens.

     

    its incredible to me that they can become the market leader with this interface flaw at the core of all of their software.

     
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    Nov 17, 2013 12:47 PM   in reply to tapaul

    We have been utterly unable to move either Adobe or Apple with our vigorous complaints about this over time.  Just look at what Apple has done to Safari, it's even worse than Adobe's totally unacceptable user interface.

     
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    Mar 13, 2014 12:04 PM   in reply to Honeydew56

    I have Adobe CC on my Windows Desktop PC and just recently acquired a MACBOOK PRO and have been working on that. Just this week I went into Illustrator to finish an illustration on my PC and I was shocked at the size of the interface.

    I thought I would search to see what was going on and stumbled on this.. Why is my Illustrator so large??!

    I cannot remember if it was like this before..one would think I would have noticed it?!

    I run Window's 7,  have a 21.25" monitor. For my text size I have that set at custom 130%, resolution is set at 1920 x 1080 (recommended). I doubt if it has anything to do with that as why wouldn't photoshop and indesign be the same? hhmmm, but then maybe not!?

     

    In would be great to get some uniform on this adobe software!

     

    I would post a screen shot of Illustrator, photoshop and Indesign to show you the difference but when I to go insert an image, the box is black and won't load!

     
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