Hi, everyone. In my new build I am using 64 gig or memory. Has anyone used and found it helpful to use ram disk or ram cache for PPro or AE? If so what did you use to create the disk or cashe. Thanks Roman
The problem with RAMdisks on Premiere or After Effects is that it has to be set up before launching the programs, so it's a pain. You have to create the RAMdisk, then launch PPro or AE, assign it as the scratch, and then relaunch. If you reboot, that ramdisk is gone, right? Then you have to remake it before you relaunch PPro or AE, otherwise it will say "I don't have the scratch disk, so I'm going to use space on your C: drive / home directory." (in so many words)
I considered it, but I shut down every night, and don't feel like going through all that every day. I have a nice little script that makes ramdisk creation that much easier, but just couldn't be bothered, since my RAID works pretty well already. I would love to hear your experiences if you try it. I might use one myself, if it makes a difference.
I tried a RAMDISK to speed up Premiere CS5 for times when the 24GB of on-board RAM was not being fully utilized, however it just slowed things down.
My suspicion is that Windows can use "unused" RAM for caching, etc. in ways very native to Windows and the RAMDISK setup with its associated overhead is less effective.
Jim
Dear Jim
Will you tell me exactly how the Ramdisk Just slowed down thing for you? I'm doing several tests on my news 3930 and I´m really positive.
My test.:
20gb ram disk. work fantastic.
Asus SSD CACHE, Reali not so exacting AS RAM cache is nearly the same but faster. SSD CACHE can be use only for 1 HDD, Ram cache can be aply in ON BOARD RAID, so I let you something to imagine...
BTW did you try the Ram disk on your 970 or you got a new 39XX,
When you set the ram cache or ran disk you don't have to be running a 32bit OS. It is very easy, you provably know that Right?
I'm keep pushing the 3930 up in OC. as I start whit 2 identical pc both are using a corsair h100, and they are @ 4.7 with a very stable temp. I need a bit of time ti put them @ 5ghz which is my target, the I will publish result in the PPBM WITH AND WITHOUT OC and for sure will fine the must optimal on board HDD config.
Them later I will try my custom water cooling Sys where I spect +5ghz...
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Cristo,
Good luck with the new build and testing; I'm looking forwards to your findings!
Regarding how I "tested" with a RAMDISK, it was by running PPBM5 multiple times using different configurations. For example, set up the RAMDISK and assign media cache and media cache DB to it, etc.
Realize too that I am using big, fast arrays already, and only had 24GB of total RAM to play with. On a 48GB system, things could have turned out very differently - my RAMDISK was about 10GB in size, whereas 48GB of RAM would have allowed for a 34GB RAMDISK partition. Bill Gehrke here told me about the program I used; it is called RAMdisk by Dataram.
Cheers,
Jim
@ the moment for me the super cache "RAM CACHE" is showing more cool. I leet you the link so you can try it as well and look the pic above.
http://www.superspeed.com/download/trialversions.php
Cheers
Cristobal
Jim, I also found the 24 GB old limitation that RAMDisk was not much help. Now that I have a 32 GB machine I guess I will have to try that but it will not be until after Christmas. With 32 GB I can set a 14 GB RAMdisk (enough to hold all of the PPBM project and results) and get some data. By the way just going from 16 GB to 32 GB improved my PPBM5.5 scpore by more than 5 seconds.
Well I squeezed the RAMdisk test in and could not find any improvement over the the testing of PPBM5.5 with 32 GB of RAM. With the RAMdisk software set to allocate 14 GB to the RAMdisk and the remaining 18 GB used as regular RAM I got statistically the same results as I got running the test with 3 each 1 TB 7200 rpm drives in RAID 0. Why did I use three drives? My drives are the older 7200.12 Seagate drives so I wanted to emulate two of the newer ones when they again become cost effective. The newer 1 TB/platter 64 MB cache Seagate drives are much faster but until hard drive get back to "normal" I have to improvise.
Why would you need it?
I agree Ram is faster than SSD. But the cache / scratch or what ever will be used only once the RAM fills in any program. So when the system can automatically do the task why are you willing taking additional difficulties for same objective in different path? That's why no consumer os manufactures doesn't provide any utilities like this.
If you feel the need of scratch / cache Install more Ram. There is no point doing this kind of Ram disk Drive for caching purpose. It is like taking the half of the avilable cache and keep it to acces in diffrent way.
I will say the only need for Ram disk will be when ever you want to prolong the life time of SSD by routing the temp files on it. But i thing nowadays even that might not worth doing since SSD prices are falling
If i am wrong in some thing educate me
Why do we need another cache scheme since Windows OS has already implemented a file-system level cache?
Bill, are you sure for this?
I am using supercache with a ram disk of 18 gb and PPBM fails with sheep sound on disk test.
I have realized that ram is saturated by this test and i can't beat Cristobal PPBM5 result with "only" 32 gb installed on my system! :-)
Bill said:
Jim, I also found the 24 GB old limitation that RAMDisk was not much help. Now that I have a 32 GB machine I guess I will have to try that but it will not be until after Christmas. With 32 GB I can set a 14 GB RAMdisk (enough to hold all of the PPBM project and results) and get some data. By the way just going from 16 GB to 32 GB improved my PPBM5.5 scpore by more than 5 seconds.
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