I have asked for the forum controls (reply Mark as, Edit, Delete (some of which only appear for moderators)) to be right aligned so they appear in the same place on Questions (which have the late appearing Was this helpful) and on non-questions so that there might be some consistency. Futur update...
Noel, I'm using FF right now and see it on almost any page. If I'm reading this thread and move from the third page to the fourth and hit Back it just sits there. I have to hit Back a 2nd time for it actually go back to the third page.
I can't say that it happens 100% of the time, but enough to notice it and get annoyed by it.
John C,
This is definitely not directed at you, as you have probably not seen your family in several weeks, but the forums, the "new & improved forums," are flat broken. THIS is some video of the Adobe forums, though metaphorically. I could come up with many nautical metaphors too. The Titanic, The Morro Castle, and many others, come immediately to mind.
I keep trying to be patient, in hopes that things will finally get better, but they are not. The Adobe Forums are almost impossible to use now. Many contributors are just leaving, and in droves.
Adobe made a very big mistake (or many of them), and I do not know how to "right the ship."
Sorry to be so pessimistic, but I am loosing faith. As BB King opined, "the thrill is gone."
Hunt
Noel Carboni wrote:
Hm, must be the rare case where it works better on IE than FF then.
Indeed; I have just tested with IE9, and the phenomenon does not happen here.
But with Firefox 12 and Waterfox 12 it happens about 3 times out of 4. Both when using the browser's Back button, or the keyboards Back key.
Here is another strange one, John.
It is rather serious.
When you use Ask a Question and insert a string of text with or withou quotes, you get to a new page with a (rather short) list of threads.
It should be noted that the URL refers to the forum that you left, such as this for this forum and the search string "fair forums":
http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments?view=discussi ons
When you click one of the threads, you get there, and you can read it.
But.
When you hit the Back button (which is the only way to get back), you are brought back to the forum you started from, not to the search results.
This means that you will have to start all over again, retyping the search string.
The only way to avoid this is to click the See more Results bar, whether it turns up more results or not.
Only then you get the chance of going back to the search list and see another thread.
It also gets an URL of its own, as this:
The legend still needs a patch - we're running gray icons on an identical gray backgound, so the only visible pixels are from the (now incorrect) matte to white. "New" is equally hinky:
To quote Zaphod, "It's the weird colour scheme that freaks me. Every time you try to operate one of these weird black controls, which are labeled in black on a black background, a small black light lights up black to let you know you've done it."
One suggestion in connexion with the information under the avatar still under construction:
The post count is related to the date mentioned and is probably right, but for many of us, the date has nothing to do with the date of joining the forums. It is merely a date
I, for one, started posting in two of the forums in the previous millennium, so I was a well established native that late summer day in 2006. Some natives that were already there when I joined have even later dates under their avatars, as far as I remember as late as some time in 2009.
And one of the most knowledgable natives I have ever met, and who has seemed to have always been here (and has posted as lately as yesterday), has no post count and no date at all (and even no (default) avatar at all), thus seemingly having managed in some way to escape back to the bliss of the fair forums where all were equal.
I presume it has to do with the merging of forums and earlier attempts to change the forum formats, (some of) the natives of the WebX forums having a greater part (or all) of their past left out.
I would suggest the wording:
[Number of] posts
Since [day]-[Month]-[Year]
This would be correct/coherent information, as well done as it can be when the original date of joining the forum is lost.
A few more obsevations:
The Ask a Question, which seems to have replaced the Search, seems to have lost the additional options.
This means that more specific searches, and all the additional options that were described here,
http://forums.adobe.com/docs/DOC-1021
are lost.
The Search box mentioned in that Document is no longer there at all.
Jacob, I believe that is how the Jive quick search works. When I use it I always use the See More Results button so that I get a full set of search results that I can return to. If you just select from the five items in the drop down box you will lose the search because you never left the page you were starting from, that is just an overlay on the current page.
I have cleared all my caches in Explorer/Win7 to get rid of this:
Unfortunately, I didn't.
And I have just noticed that I have no obvious way of getting to the last post of this thread. If, on the main page of this forum, I click in ther "Last post" (two weeks ago) button of this thread, I am taken to its opening message. If I click on the "Reply" button of the opening message, I'm taken here
(I have reported this several times). (Also notice that I am not getting any Advanced Editor button). And if I click on the Latest Reply button at the bottom of the opening message, I am taken back to the opening message. Hopeless.
John,
If you just select from the five items in the drop down box you will lose the search because you never left the page you were starting from, that is just an overlay on the current page.
I believe you will have to make that clear somehow: most will expect to be somewhere else they can go back to when they have clicked on something that brought them away, and if they find what they expect among the few search results they have no reason to click to see more, so they will expect to be able to look through those. I did when I tried it.
I believe that is how the Jive quick search works.
Argh. Just argh.
Those all indicate cache issues to me. Advanced Editor is back.
As for getting to the last message, the link in the Last Post column goes to the message that was last modified. If someone has edited the original post and there have been no new replies yet, it will go to the original post. If you try it now, it should go to the last reply, as I haven't done any more edits to the initial post.
I am not able to duplicate having the Last Reply link in the fist message take me back to that same message. It takes me to the last reply. Only thing I can think of there is that it might use the same logic to take you to the last message that was modified, and that at the point in time that you clicked on it that first message was the one that was last touched by the system.
The post information appearing in italics again tells me that you are seeing old cached info. It should be a roman sans serif font, not italic, and smaller than that in your screen shot...
How are you clearing the cache? I posted the instructions for XP/IE8, but I don't have the instructions for Win7 yet.
John Cornicello wrote:
I am not able to duplicate having the Last Reply link in the fist message take me back to that same message. It takes me to the last reply. Only thing I can think of there is that it might use the same logic to take you to the last message that was modified, and that at the point in time that you clicked on it that first message was the one that was last touched by the system.
It seems that all this was related to your modification of the opening message. As I said, the Last Post button showed that this had been "posted" two weeks ago; that must refer to when you first posted it, not to when you modified it. And this left me trapped in your opening message. All is working as expected now, thanks.
John Cornicello wrote:
The post information appearing in italics again tells me that you are seeing old cached info. It should be a roman sans serif font, not italic, and smaller than that in your screen shot...
How are you clearing the cache? I posted the instructions for XP/IE8, but I don't have the instructions for Win7 yet.
To your first point: it's not the italics that bother me; it's the left alignment. The centered alignment used in the opening message of each thread is much nicer looking.
To your specific question: I used the normal and easy way of going to Tools > Internet Options > General, and clicking on the Delete button of the History section, which took me to a list of things to eliminate. I selected just Cookies, and clicked on Deletebutton at the bottom of the popup window. Cookies were eliminated, because I had to login again in all the forums I frequent, including non-Adobe ones.
As you say that I am still using old cached information in spite of this, I will now try deleting cookies based on what you posted in the other thrad. If I succeed, I will post there how I did it.
I’m not saying that the italics bother you. But seeing italics there means you are not seeing the correct data.
The browser cache is not related to cookies or history. In IE8/XP you need to go to Tools > Developer Tools and then select to clear the full cache or only the current domain. I am hoping that it is similar in Win7.
John
I guess it would be useful if the Last Post always pointed to the last post, and the Modify Date always pointed to the last modification in the thread. But as numerous examples show, if the Opening Message is modified, both the Last Post and the Modify Date point to the posting of the OP, when LP should point to the last post in the thread (with a link to that) and the MD should point to the time when the OP was last modified (with or without a link). This remains unchanged until a new message is posted (or a different post is modified ? I don't know).
http://forums.adobe.com/threads
John Cornicello wrote:
Dave, where are you seeing the legend like that with those items in it?
Well, I see the new forum update has broken all my Stylish & GreaseMonkey css hacks completely.
Apologies all. Probably best to just disable them. Actually, I must say that I like the look of the new forum a bit better than the old one at least!
EDIT: I did update the Red (Updated) style for Claudio.
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