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What is the Data Rate of the Cache in Adobe Premiere CS6

May 25, 2012 12:24 PM

Hi,

 

Trying to build a raid array to edit with and want to know how much speed i need for caching read/write drive for premiere and After Effects. I'm of the impression that the cache doesn't need more than a single 7200rpm drive (~120MB/s) but really i have no clue what the data rate that adobe caches to is or what the data rate to read is

 

so it's 2 questions

 

how fast does premiere write the cache? (i know this is system dependent but a ballpark figure would be good for say a sandy bridge i5 2500k system with a 2 raid 7200rpm drive)

 

and

 

what's the data rate to read the cache in a 1080 24p file?

 

also, when doing the final export does premiere/after effects read from the Cache or the original files or both?

 

thx,

Jayson

youtube.com/AWDEfilms

 
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    May 25, 2012 12:37 PM   in reply to woodybrando

    Depends on:

     

    • Material: DV does not require the same bandwidth as AVCHD or RED 4K.
    • Number of tracks: a single track does not require as much bandwidth as 10 tracks.
    • Nature and amount of effects/transitions, native or third-party.
    • Amount of memory installed and pagefile size and location.
    • Graphics card used.
    • CPU used.
    • Clock speed.
    • Disk I/O setup.

     

    So the question is a bit broader than you may have surmised.

     

    a sandy bridge i5 2500k system with a 2 raid 7200rpm drive

     

    That is pretty minimal for a setup.

     
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    May 25, 2012 11:02 PM   in reply to woodybrando

    I don't know if there exists such a paper, but with CS6 and a single track of AVCHD, I saw transfer rates of around 50 MB/s, with six video tracks and an adjustment layer with a combination of AVCHD, XDCAM EX, HDV, DV, Canon MXF and RED 4K is had transfer rates in excess of 300 MB/s.

     

    You better have a look at Adobe Forums: System requirements for CS5 and realize that your workflow falls solidly in the Difficult category. An i5-2500 and a 2 disk raid0 will be borderline and you should expect choppy and jerky behavior.

     
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    May 26, 2012 12:15 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    with CS6 and a single track of AVCHD, I saw transfer rates of around 50 MB/s,

     

    That's a confirmed bug in CS6.  Adobe is working on a fix.  AVCHD is nominally around 5 Mb/s, not 50.

     
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    May 26, 2012 2:33 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    CS6.01 is a little better, but far from your nominal 5 MB/s. If this is a confirmed bug, then it not only applies to AVCHD, but to other formats as well.

     

    Playback of a single video track, no effects, no transitions, just clips butted together in CS6.01 gives average transfer rates of:

     

    AVCHD around 32 MB/s

    Canon MXF around 62 MB/s

     

    Notice that the nominal rate of MXF is 50 Mbps or 6.25 MB/s and for AVCHD it is 24 Mbps or 3 MB/s. But those nominal rates only apply to the recording rates, not the unpacked material used for display.

     
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    May 26, 2012 11:21 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    Yeah, you're right.  6.01 did drop the rate down to mid 30's or so.

     

    But in CS5, it plays at the expected 5 MB/s, so something is still not quite right about CS6.

     
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    May 26, 2012 11:23 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    not the unpacked material used for display.

     

    Decoding happens at the CPU, after it's read from the disk.  The disk read rate for DV, HDV and AVCHD, including audio and overhead, will be around 5 MB/s.

     
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    May 26, 2012 4:06 PM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    Harm and Jim, here is a picture of my disk utilization with a single AVCHD track before the 6.0.1 upgrade.  The top track is if I just play the track (notice the scale, it is about 3 MB per second as you said).  The bottom track is after just a little scrubbing and you can see it is more like 150 MB/second and is not continuous.  I did the 6.0.1 upgrade and it is now somewhat better, I have not checked the disk utilization yet.

     

     

     

    Disk-Utilization-CS6-AVCHD-Playback.jpg

     

    Message was edited by: Bill Gehrke

     
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