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Premiere Pro CS6 - Video Output (GPU) bad quality...

May 6, 2012 11:56 PM

Hi,

 

I have a question about Adobe Premiere Pro CS6...

I have installed the Trial-Version and use a BM Intensity Pro to output Full-HD 1080i (50, Interlace) trough HDMI Video-Output...

 

The Video-Output works correctly, but if I enable the "GPU"-Acceleration (CUDA), and scale or transform a Video (for example a 3D-Transformation) the Quality of the transforming is very bad! (jerky, not "smooth", Interlace-Lines etc...)

 

If I deactivate the GPU-Acceleration (Software only Mode), everything is smooth and looks good!

 

Also if I render the Timeline, all tranformations are also smooth, only the Realtime GPU Rendering looks very bad....

 

What can I do?

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  • Jon-M-Spear
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    1. Jon-M-Spear,
    May 7, 2012 12:57 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    I'm about an hour behind you and haven't got there yet - but have you updated the BM Intensity drivers to v9.5?

     
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  • Christian1979de
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    May 7, 2012 1:14 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear
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    yes, I have the latest BM-Driver installed!

    But I think this is not a problem with the BM Driver, I think Premiere outputs the "bad quality" transformation...

     

    Here you can download my Test-Project:

    http://wtrns.fr/PadrQkmh19tqa1e

     
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  • Jon-M-Spear
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    3. Jon-M-Spear,
    May 7, 2012 2:28 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    It's crashing CS6.  I can make out a parrot - then it crashes.

     
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  • Christian1979de
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    May 7, 2012 2:38 AM   in reply to Jon-M-Spear
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    mhhh, okay...

     

    Just try it yourself:

     

    Drag a Clip in your Timeline (Full HD)... and use the 3D-Transform Filter

    then make a transformation and play it out through HDMI

     

    look what happens if you use GPU or Software only mode...

     
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  • Jim Simon
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    May 7, 2012 6:49 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    Drag a Clip in your Timeline (Full HD)

     

    On a side note, you said you're using 25 fps interlaced media.  But "Full HD" is defined as 1080 progressive.  So...which is it?  Have you used the wrong sequence settings, possibly?

     
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    May 7, 2012 6:51 AM   in reply to Jim Simon
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    no, sorry I use 1080i 50 (PAL Interlace, 1920 x 1080 px) not FULL-HD progressiv...

     
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    May 7, 2012 6:53 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    OK.

     

    In a matching sequence?  Is it an Adobe sequence, or a BM sequence?

     

    Does it also look weird on the Program Monitor inside PP, or just on the external monitor?

     
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  • Christian1979de
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    May 7, 2012 7:01 AM   in reply to Jim Simon
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    I have tried also a BM Sequence and a Adobe sequence... The problem appears at both....

     

    On the Program-Monitor, I can't see the artefacts, because there I see no Interlace-Lines...

     

    But I see it on the TV (external Monitor)...

    And if I render the Timeline, everything looks smooth... Only Realtime GPU-playback looks bad...

     
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  • Wil Renczes
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    May 7, 2012 9:23 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    Click the wrench in the program monitor - did you set your playback resolution to full?  If you're using the default (1/2), that's bound to look rotten on a fielded external monitor. Also, try messing with the field display options...

     
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  • Christian1979de
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    May 8, 2012 2:16 PM   in reply to Wil Renczes
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    yes, I have tried it all.... Plackback is FULL Resolution, show both Fields!!!

    but the quality is bad on the TV, and if I enable Fullscreen in Premiere Pro STRG+Ü there is also the quality bad...

     
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  • Kevin Monahan
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    May 8, 2012 4:07 PM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    What kind of system are you operating with? What kind of GPU?

    What are the specs?

    Is the 3D transformation the only problem with output on the GPU?

     

    With CS6, you do not want to use a BMD sequence, use a standard 1080 sequence.

     
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  • Christian1979de
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    May 9, 2012 12:09 AM   in reply to Kevin Monahan
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    I have a very fast PC, i7 processor, 8 GB RAM, Windows 7 64bit...

    and I use a nvidia GT240 (1 GB)

     

    All transformation Filter (GPU accelerated) has this problem!

    As soon, as the Picture has been resized, rotated, skewed etc, the qualitry is bad!

     

    I have tried it all, with BM Sequenze, with normal 1080i Sequenz, it doesnt matter, everywhere is the quality bad as soon, as the GPU-Acceleration is enabled...

     
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  • Wil Renczes
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    13. Wil Renczes,
    May 9, 2012 12:31 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    - What version of the nVidia drivers are you using? (You should be on version 296.10, if not, I'd definitely suggest updating)

    - any chance that you can beg/steal/borrow an nVidia card from the supported list to see if it behaves any differently?

    - if possible, I'd like to see a screen grab of the fullscreen mode so we can see what's going on with the video...

     

    Cheers

     
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  • Christian1979de
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    May 9, 2012 3:28 AM   in reply to Wil Renczes
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    sure I use the latest nvidia drivers...

     

    I don't have access to another graphic-card...

    But everything has been worked fine (smooth) in CS5.5 with this graphic card...

     

    I can send you later a screenshot, but this problem appears more on a TV, because its a Interlace-Problem I think...

     
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  • Christian1979de
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    May 9, 2012 9:40 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    Hi :-)

     

    I have tested it now with another Grafikcard!

    And it is exactly the same problem

     

    I have found out, that the GPU makes a delay, after a few seconds the Transformation looks smooth/bicubic!

    But on relatime-Playback its bad...

     

    My English isnt very good, so I have some problems to describe what I mean...

     

    If you stop the playback, it takes 2 Sekonds and then the image looks good!

    But dureing the playback its very bad quality, false Interlace-Lines etc...

     

    here are two screenshots:

     

    Bild_stehend.jpgRealtime.jpg

     
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  • Wil Renczes
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    May 9, 2012 10:13 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    There are two settings for resolution in the program monitor settings:  there's one for playback, and another for paused.  It sounds like your playback resolution is set to 1/2 (or less), and the paused state resolution is set to Full. That's the most logical conclusion I can come up with.

     

    (Having two separate settings was designed out of supporting things like 4k RED playback - we know that lower end machines simply won't support anything over 1/4 res decodes for realtime playback, but people still want to be able to make out details when they pause on a frame.)

     

    Cheers

     
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  • Christian1979de
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    May 9, 2012 10:28 AM   in reply to Wil Renczes
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    Both are FULL Quality...

     

    here is a screenshot of my Settings!

     

    CS6.jpg

     

    And if I disable GPU-Acceleration and set to Software-only Mode, then everything is smooth/bicubic!

    But with GPU enabled, it looks bad

     
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  • pejaka
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    May 9, 2012 1:21 PM   in reply to Kevin Monahan
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    Hi Kevin,

    just one more opinion.

    Looks like GPU Accelerated video output is always deinterlaced.

     

    I try to find out if the interlaced SD video material is lower or upper first, but it is impossible to see with hardware acceleration on.

    Software Only mode you can see if  it is lower or upper field first.

     

    Win 7 Pro

    GTX 470 (296.10 driver)

    Blackmagic HD extreme2 (9.5.0.0) analog component video connected to old Sony Broadcast tube monitor.

     

    pena

     
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  • Christian1979de
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    May 9, 2012 1:44 PM   in reply to pejaka
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    Hi pena,

     

    The Videomaterial is HD 1080i Interlace PAL (upper Field First)

     

    Here you can download my Test-Project:

    http://wtrns.fr/PadrQkmh19tqa1e

     

    Do you have give it a try?

    Looks the Video on the TV smooth, or can you see the Interlacing-Problems, too?

     
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    May 9, 2012 2:56 PM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    Tschüss Christian,

    yes with 3D effect I saw the same interlacing problems, both with SD-monitor and HD-monitor via HDMI.

    And Software Only was smooth as you have noticed.

    But without 3D effect both Hardware and Software mode were perfect and smooth.

    So it looks like HD is interlaced both Hardware and Software modes, different than my SD.. hmm

     

    This Basic 3D effect combines both fields when previewing GPU Accelerated output, but rendered or exported it is perfect.

     

    pena

     
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  • Christian1979de
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    May 9, 2012 11:40 PM   in reply to pejaka
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    oh... thats great! Now, finally someone else has also confirmed this problem! :-P

     

    All you have discriped, I can 100% confirm...

     

    This GPU-Interlacing-problems occur on all GPU-Effects or GPU-acellerated Programmfeatures!

    It's occurs with all effects that scale, deform or skew the video!

    for example: Simply rotate a Video -15° and you can see the vertical flickering Interlace-Lines...

     
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  • Kevin Monahan
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    May 10, 2012 9:59 AM   in reply to Kevin Monahan
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    To clarify, third-party hardware will no longer use special editing modes, but manufacturers may still provide their own sequence presets.  So while Blackmagic users will not use a Blackmagic editing mode in CS6, users may still start with a Blackmagic sequence preset in CS6.

     
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    May 10, 2012 11:08 AM   in reply to Kevin Monahan
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    yes sure...

    But i have tried both a BM-preset and also a normal AVCHD-preset etc...

     

    Everywhere it is the same problem, with the flickering Interlace-Lines!

     
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  • Zac Lam
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    May 10, 2012 12:25 PM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    Hi Christian1979de,

     

    This matches a bug we have logged internally, #3184520.  The team will be investigating it further.

     

    Regards,

     

    Zac

     
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    May 10, 2012 12:43 PM   in reply to Zac Lam
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    ok, thank you for the info :-)

    Do you think this will be fixed soon with an update?

     
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    May 10, 2012 1:02 PM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    The bug is still under investigation.  Sorry I can't speak to the timing of a fix.

     
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  • Stan Jones
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    May 10, 2012 1:07 PM   in reply to Zac Lam
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    I understand not being able to address timing. I continue to applaud your simply acknowleding an issue and stating that it is under investigation. I love the Adobe presence on the forums.

     
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  • Christian1979de
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    May 29, 2012 1:29 AM   in reply to Stan Jones
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    Hi :-)

     

    I have intsalled the new 6.01 Update, but it seems the problem is still not fixed...

     

    Are there any news about this issue?

     
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    May 29, 2012 8:43 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    I also recognized the strange effect (CS6 6.0.1.) with effect "warp-stabilizer". With Mercury GPU on I got these lines on playback. When pausing sequence playback the lines/stripes are gone after a short delay (0.5 - 1 second). Rendered clips look o.k., too. When using software Mercury this strange behavior is gone.

     

    After doing some tests with AVEC test patterns I would agree with the others, that Mercury GPU Acceleration is trying to deinterlace all outputs.

     

    I'm using a Matrox MXO2 device but I also tried it without Matrox hardware installed. Effect can be seen on internal Program Monitor, too. So this is definitely no problem with external hardware devices.

     

    Can we hope for a fix in 6.0.2 ?

     
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    Jun 12, 2012 11:23 PM   in reply to spreeni
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    Hello? any news about that???

     
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  • Darren Hall
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    Jun 13, 2012 4:11 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    Same problem on my system please take a look at http://forums.adobe.com/message/4465694#4465694

     

    Darren

     
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  • AlanP1964
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    Jun 14, 2012 7:28 AM   in reply to Darren Hall
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    A very similar problem on my system (PPro CS6 - 6.0.1). We first noticed it when trying to do a crawling title, lots of blur and interlace lines. We have tested with CS4 and CS5.5 and none of these problems exist there.

     

    I've noticed other serious problems with the Mercury Playback Engine outlined here:

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/4490294#4490294

     

    I'm kind of wishing Adobe would have included a third option for MPE - "OFF".  ;-)

     

    I'm hoping for a fix soon!

     
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    Jun 14, 2012 11:27 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    Hi Christian,

     

    Generally we can't talk about fixes in unannounced products.  But rest assured we're tracking this issue closely.

     

    Regards,

     

    Zac

     
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    Jul 6, 2012 8:45 AM   in reply to Zac Lam
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    It's been almost a month...any news on a fix for this??

     
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    Sep 6, 2012 6:57 AM   in reply to AlanP1964
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    I'm with the 6.02 now. This bug is still present. Working on 1080@50i

     

    :-(

     
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:36 AM   in reply to zuccon123
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    I'm on 6.02 now as well. DV output is still very bad. When can we expect a fix for this?

     
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    Sep 28, 2012 2:12 AM   in reply to AlanP1964
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    Hi...

     

    Are there any news, when this Bug get finally fixed???


    Currently its not possible to use Premiere CS6,

    that's really irritating...!

     
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    Sep 28, 2012 10:52 AM   in reply to Christian1979de
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    Hi Christian, you mentioned if you turn off GPU acceleration, then the fields are properly preserved.  For now, you can use that when you need to lay off the final result to tape.

     

    Alan, from other forum threads I believe your issue is different, since you are not using GPU acceleration.  One common issue I've seen between your reports and others is that you're using PAL DV.   Your issue is under investigation and since we don't want to cause confusion over the two issues, it's probably better to keep that on a separate thread like here:

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1019730

     

    Thanks,

     

    Zac

     
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    Oct 14, 2012 11:54 PM   in reply to Zac Lam
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    News:

     

    I have installed the latest Update (CS6.03) and it seems the Quality-problem has been fixed (the jagged edges...)....!

    BUT now there is a NEW Problem.....!!!

     

    Now the Interlace-Fields are played out with a twisted/swapped Field-Order!!!

    So it flickers terrible on the TV-Screen (played out over Intesity Pro)...

     

    Why it is a so big Problem for Adobe to fix an bug, without making a new one??? :-(

     
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