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Mixdown to 5.1 .mov produces gap

May 25, 2012 10:51 PM

I mixed a session from Audition CS6 and the resulting 5.1 .mov file has a gap in it that is nearly a half second long.  The source files for the mix are fine at the same place and there are no effects or key frames in use at the point where the problem occurs.  This is a long project that runs over 2hrs and 4 mins. if that matters.  Has anyone else experienced this?  You may wonder why I chose .mov for the mixdown.  It's because .wav will not import into Premiere CS6!  It would be nice if Adobe's products would work with files created by their other products.  In this case Premiere gets an import failure error and says there is a header error.

 

Terry

 
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    May 27, 2012 8:38 PM   in reply to tgrider

    Unless you're using some odd permutation of the wave format when you export from Audition, that the wav isn't importing into Premiere is definitely a bug.  I would encourage you post this at the Premiere forum and/or submit a bug report to them.

     

    Meanwhile, are you on a 32-bit or 64-bit OS?  Tell us a little more about your computer.  Could be RAM-usage related.

     
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    May 28, 2012 5:41 AM   in reply to tgrider

    What sample rate and bit depth are you using? And what file size do you end up with? Could be that you are hitting a file size limit at that length of 6 channel audio.

     
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    May 28, 2012 1:50 PM   in reply to ryclark

    Ryclark's question is right on, but I wanted to mention that the computer/RAM ought not to be the problem (although you could always put up the system monitor while exporting to verify that) -- that's a pretty decent computer.

     
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    May 30, 2012 5:01 AM   in reply to tgrider

    .wav files are limited to a maximum of 2GB regardless of operating system due to the 32bit addressing of the format. Don't know if the same applies to .mov audio files. .W64 are basically PCM files similar to .wav that get round the size limit.

     
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    May 30, 2012 9:51 AM   in reply to ryclark

    Actually I think that limit's 4GB, same as the RAM limitation, although over 2GB isn't officially approved. Broadcast wav files use a different addressing style in the headers, and don't have this limitation.

     
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    Jun 3, 2012 8:46 PM   in reply to tgrider

    Audition CS 6 has what's called RF64 file support for greater-than-4GB files, so it makes perfect sense that the export works great within the program.  I can't test this in Premiere CS6 because I dont' have it, but I'd suspect then that it lacks RF64 support.  But that would surprise me because it seems like Adobe really tries to make an effort for import/export options to be consistent.

     
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    Jun 4, 2012 3:04 AM   in reply to MusicConductor

    Same Problem here and it even get worse!

     

    -> Task: Import a feature 5.1 Audio mix from Audition CS6 into Premiere CS6 (resulting audio file is > 4GB)

     

    -> Result:

    1. Export the feature 5.1 mix as 48KHz 24Bit 5.1 RF64 Broadcast WAV  --> File is valid but Premeiere can't import RF64 Broadcast WAV (Error on import: unknown header)

    2. Export the feature 5.1 mix as 48KHz 24Bit PCM MOV --> Every Audition export >4GB results in a corrupted MOV file with audio glitches at the same position.

     

    RF64 Broadcast WAV & PCM MOV are the only file Formats supporting larger than 4GB audio.

    The attempt to import a mixdown Audition XML into Premiere failed because Audition creates RF64 Broadcast WAV that Premiere doesn't read.

     

    -> My Config: Win7 X64, CS6 (all current Updates), Corei7, 12GB Ram

     

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

     

    -> Task: Export WAV uncompressed 5.1 48KHz 24Bit from a 5.1 Adobe Premiere sequence

     

    -> Result: "Error compiling Movie: Unknown Error"

     

    That has worked in the past with CS5.5

     

    --> If I export as 16bit from Premiere it will work but that doesn't help because I need at least a 24bit export...

     

    Whats going on there??

     
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    Jun 4, 2012 4:03 AM   in reply to nw42

    This sounds for all the world like a Premiere issue...

     
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    Jun 4, 2012 4:25 AM   in reply to SteveG(AudioMasters)

    Hi,

     

    it seems to be like this:

     

    1. Adobe Audition works well with RF64 Broadcast WAV larger 4GB.

    2. Adobe Audition renders Audio Glitches into all PCM MOV files larger 4GB

     

    3. Adobe Premiere doesn't work with RF64 Broadcast WAV

    4. Adobe Premiere renders PCM MOV files larger 4GB well.

     

    Hmm workflow between Audition & Premiere?

     

    Is anybody out there with a solution how to deal with such situations where you have to handle large 5.1 mixes?

     

    Instead of importing one wav file back into Premeiere I've exported discrete channels from Audition and setup a new 5.1 mix in Premeiere - doesn't like this because you easily can set something wrong and I only have to insert the final 5.1 mix from the sound studio without changing anything.

     

    Then I have to export a audio only PCM MOV from Premeiere to open it again in Audion change bitdeep to 24bit again - and export the needed 5.1 broadcast wav channels.

     

    It's a bit overcoplicated I feel...

     

    nw42

     
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    Jun 4, 2012 6:07 AM   in reply to nw42

    Testcase for corrupt Audition MOV export...

     

    please check this out and confirm if it's working right or wrong with your setup:

     

    1. Create a empty 5.1 Audtion soundfile larger 4GB with flatline waveform. (so you better see the glitches)

     

    2. "Save as" audio only MOV PCM 5.1 32Bit

     

    3. close the file and reopen it.

     

    4. Check for audio peaks in the waveform.

     

    Every time I export a > 4GB audio MOV I get random peaks in the exported file. (you have to close und reopen to see it)

     

    Here is a 150KB PNG screenshot to illustrate the effect:

    https://www.hidrive.strato.com/lnk/poAkPIPm

     

    nw42

     
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    Jun 4, 2012 12:57 PM   in reply to nw42

    Thanks for the steps.  I was able to reproduce the issue with these steps and have submitted a bug report.  As this export path relies upon Quicktime, I'll need to wait for a developer to step through and see if the bad data is being generated by Audition or Quicktime.

     
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    Jun 5, 2012 2:26 AM   in reply to _durin_

    Hi _durin_,

     

    thanks for checking this...

     

    nw42

     
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    Jun 6, 2012 3:37 AM   in reply to nw42

    @_durin_: found also audio spikes in >4GB 5.1 Premiere exports to MOV audio only - uncompressed 5.1 - 48KHz - at all bit deep's incl. 32bit float...

     

    so this realy seems to be a Quicktime thing... :-(

     

    my config: Win7 X64, CS6 all patches, Quicktime: v7.7.2 (1680.56)

     

    --> The audio spikes don't appear if Premiere is exporting Video+Audio - but with audio only MOV export we have the same behaviour like in Audition.

    edit: 2012-06-06 - not - also video+audio has corrupt audio peaks :-(

     

    nw42

     

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    Jun 5, 2012 11:11 PM   in reply to _durin_

    Durin, how about a Premiere feature request for RF64 support?  That's a surprising oversight considering all the flying to-and-fro they're supposed to do for each other.

     
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