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cuts that don't mess up the multitrack timing

May 30, 2012 5:05 PM

If I do a cut in Multitrack, it isn't destructive.  So, if I do the cut in the Waveform Editor with either Cut or Delete, it's destructive, but then I get the warning message that it can mess up the synch back in MT. 

 

So, how do I do a destructive cut and keep the MT timing intact?

 
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  • SteveG(AudioMasters)
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    May 30, 2012 5:33 PM   in reply to therealdobro

    therealdobro wrote:

     

    So, how do I do a destructive cut and keep the MT timing intact?

     

     

    Can't answer that, because essentially you can't. I can ask you another question though - what exactly are you trying to achieve here? I bet there's another, easier, way of doing it...

     
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    May 31, 2012 2:23 AM   in reply to therealdobro

    Use the razorblade tool. It makes cuts across all selected tracks, and you can then group the bits you cut. After that you can move the grouped cuts anywhere you want, and also put fades, etc on them easily. With vertically grouped clips, grabbing the fade handles on one clip grabs them on all, so your fade is across the lot automatically.

     
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    May 31, 2012 2:23 AM   in reply to therealdobro

    Carrying on from Steve's answer. Why would you want to do it destructively anyway when you can just trim the clips by moving the ends in and out in the Multitrack view.

     

    If you really, really want to do the cuts destructively and keep the files in sync you must not cut or delete anything in the file,since that will alter it's length. What I do in film soundtrack restoration, where the audio file must be kept sample accurate to sync with picture, is just to select and silence the bits that I don't want. Thus the sync integrity of the audio file is maintained.

     
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    May 31, 2012 7:59 AM   in reply to ryclark

    I'll give this example from my workflow in Audition 3:

     

    After doing a live recording, I might have 16 tracks in the session, 4-5 songs in length. I would save the session as some sort of default session referencing the original files. Next I would destructively trim each of those files down to the length of the 1 song I was working on, and save that file as a different file in an appropriately song named folder. After trimming each of the files down to 1 song length, and resaving those files in the specific song folder, I would save the session as the song name.

     

    At the end of the process I could simply reopen the default session referencing the orignal intact (4-5 song tracks), and begin trimming/saving tracks for another song from the recording. All this time the tracks would stay in sync in relation to each other.

     

    You might ask why I would do this since I could just drag the start/end time of each clip and let every song session from the live recording just reference the same 16 tracks. Truthfully, I just like having separate song folders, with all, and only it's media in the folder.

     

    In Audition 6, destructively trimming a file pulls the remaining audio out of sync in relation to its orignal placement on the timeline.

    I understand the logic of why this would happen, it's just a change from Audition 3 that has a negative impact on my workflow for live recordings.

     
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    May 31, 2012 8:28 AM   in reply to bmdenton23

    It's true that Audition CS6 doesn't reconcile clip synch to destructive changes made to assets.  Though Audition 3 did its best to handle this, it's difficult to get this perfect.  This feature remains in our backlog for now.

     

    However, there's a workaround that might help with your workflow a bit.  When you create your new session with a single song, choose File > Export > Session and make sure "Save copies of associated files" is selected.  Click the Options… button and change the Media Options dropdown to Copy source files trimmed to clip lengths.  This will create a new session with unique assets, and even lets you change the file format or sample rate of the session.

     

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    May 31, 2012 10:15 AM   in reply to _durin_

    _durin_ wrote:

     

    It's true that Audition CS6 doesn't reconcile clip synch to destructive changes made to assets.  Though Audition 3 did its best to handle this, it's difficult to get this perfect. 

    Well that's the thing, really - I realise that Audition 3 did this, but I've not implicitly trusted it - hence the other way of working that doesn't even invoke the need to edit before mixdown. This has worked out fine for me with CS6, because to all intents and purposes I haven't had to change any working methods at all!

     
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    Jun 10, 2012 2:29 PM   in reply to therealdobro

    Have you tried setting Media Options in Save Copies option to Copy Source Files to Trimmed Clip Length when you Export the Session?

     
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