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Cannot update Camera Raw from 6.7 to 7.1

May 30, 2012 12:22 PM

Tags: #camera_raw #camera_raw_6.7 #camera_raw_7.1

When I try to update Camera Raw from 6.7 to 7.1, from the 7.1 setup file I downloaded, I get the error:

 

"Update failed

Updates could not be applied

This patch is not applicable for you. Please check for updates from the help menu in your product to see a list of latest updates available."

 

If I go to help in Photoshop CS5 and click on updates, it says that all of my programs are up to date, but Camera Raw is still 6.7. It absolutely refuses to update to 7.1

 

I just traded in my Nikon D3100 for a Nikon D3200 and 6.7 does not support it, but 7.1 does, so I REALLY need it to upgrade because I like to shoot in RAW.

 

Please help????

 
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    May 30, 2012 1:20 PM   in reply to Sharity84078

    I just traded in my Nikon D3100 for a Nikon D3200 and 6.7 does not support it, but 7.1 does, so I REALLY need it to upgrade because I like to shoot in RAW.

     

    Yes. You need to upgrade. Upgraded hardware frequently causes people to purchase updated software. Just like updated software frequently causes people to purchase updated hardware. There is a price to be paid for owning the latest and greatest.

     
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    May 30, 2012 3:42 PM   in reply to Sharity84078

    Moving this discussion to the Adobe Camera RAW forum.  You may want to look into converting your RAW images to DNG files.  You can then open the DNG files in older software.

     
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    May 30, 2012 5:20 PM   in reply to Sharity84078

    You don't have to pay, but you will have to go through a few extra steps to use the free DNG converter package.  Basically it works like this:  You convert your D3200 images to DNG files, then Photoshop CS5 can open the DNG files.  You get all the features you always had in your Photoshop CS5 package.

     

    Or you can pay and have the utmost in convenience and latest in conversion technology - files will just open right up in Camera Raw 7 on Photoshop CS6.

     

    How much did your camera cost?  Did it not occur to you that maybe you want to pay a little for a new photo editor to go with it?

     

    -Noel

     
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    May 30, 2012 8:02 PM   in reply to Sharity84078

    Sharity84078 wrote:

     

    Where do I pay for Camera Raw updates?

     

    You pay to upgrade to Photoshop CS6, that's how you get ACR 7.x.

     
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    May 30, 2012 11:31 PM   in reply to Sharity84078

    If you bought CS5 very recently (I don't know the cut-off), you might get a free upgrade. I'm sure I read something like this somewhere, but I've slept since then.

     
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    May 31, 2012 11:35 AM   in reply to Sharity84078

    Sharity84078 wrote:

     

    Great! I guess I'll be using DNG instead :-(

    Did you look into the free upgrade thing?

     
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    May 31, 2012 12:30 PM   in reply to Sharity84078

    The DNG converter is a stand-alone application. Version 7.1 will work irrespective of Photoshop version.

     

    The DNGs can then be opened through ACR 6.7 in Photoshop CS5. You'll be no worse off than you were with the D3100.

     

    You'll find it >here< (Win) or >here< (Mac).

     
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    May 31, 2012 12:37 PM   in reply to twenty_one

    BTW blame Nikon in this case. It wouldn't cost them a calorie to support the openly specified DNG format, which is the only thing with potential as a universal standard format. Leica does it, and a very few others. Then all of this would have been a non-issue.

     
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    May 31, 2012 12:44 PM   in reply to twenty_one

    Sharity84078, as D Fosse wrote, you can edit your RAW files in CS5 after convering them to DNG's using the DNG Converter, which is a free, stand-alone application.

     
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    May 31, 2012 11:50 PM   in reply to Sharity84078
     
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    Aug 18, 2012 8:12 AM   in reply to Sharity84078

    I totally agree, all the other products in the world are supported and updated for free, it is ridiculous that after less than a year we lost support and maintenance updates for CS5.5, it is normal to get a new camera and adobe software should supported it until the dead of that particular version IS CS5.5 DEAD,  common.

     

    I had a canon t2i camera shouting raw files; I bought the "best" media edition tools in the world (ADOBE CREATIVE SUITE 5.5. PRODUCTION PREMIUM') because I was motivated by their amazing features.

     

    Now, I bought a canon t4i camera for 850 USD, now I have to pay and UPGRADE to CS6 paying another 450 USD, to get CAMERA RAW 7.1 to support my new camera???? Ridiculous.

     

    I am totally piss off, I don’t need the extra  features from CS6 just the CAMERA RAW SUPPORT FOR MY CAMERA, I notice Canon 5D Mark III is supported by Camera Raw 6.7 same should apply for new cameras or

     

    Adobe should publish a letter declaring CS5.5 DEAD and wipe everything related with that version from their site.

     

    It is like the auto industry doesn’t bring support to car models 2011 or behind; you cannot use these new tires.

     

    What is the real deal here is the RAW format from t4i totally different  than the 5d mark II or IDX supported cameras or is it just a filter list in order to force people to gent CS6.

     

    Oracle corporation and many other companies support their software for more than 10 years It doesn’t matter if the hardware change.

     

    Rip-off.

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 10:57 AM   in reply to MPpulido

    MPpulido, sorry to hear your frustration.  No, it's not just a filter list, and yes, camera manufacturers change stuff. 

     

    You're not forced, however, to upgrade if you don't want to.  Adobe provide a free DNG converter which makes your new camera files compatible with much older versions of Photoshop, as well as CS5.  You'll find the download links here: http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/photoshop/extend.displayTab2.html#dow nloads

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 12:08 PM   in reply to Victoria Bampton

    Thanks Victoria for your answer and for the workaround,

     

    But If RAW files are not an standard, sure canon provided the most recent RAW format specification to Adobe, because you already implemented in Camera Raw 7.1.

     

    The question is why you (Adobe) don’t permit use the 7.1 version to CS5 and CS5.5 owners.

     

    It is not a technical limitation I think it is a commercial decision. (Not fare at all for all your customers who wants to update their cameras).

     

    Sure I am not forced to upgrade, but it is a shame that my OLD software CS5.5 software don’t support the current RAW files specification. CS5.5 It is NOW OBSOLETE. Not supported, not upgradable (at least from the RAW perspective.

     

    Should we avoid shoot RAW to use CS5.5. or use the proposal work around. What a shame.

     

    Regards,

     

    Marco.

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 3:00 PM   in reply to MPpulido

    MPpulido wrote:


    ...sure canon provided the most recent RAW format specification to Adobe...

     

    Hah!  One would think that would be the case, but it's not.  Neither Canon nor Nikon shares any details with Adobe, like, for instance, Pentax does.  Adobe engineers have to get their hands on each camera model, test them and develop their own profiles.

     

    The DNG Converter is free.  It's not reasonable to expect Adobe to provide a plug-in for non-supported versions of Photoshop.  What is reasonable is to expect prospective camera buyers to make sure their camera is supported by their software of choice before paying for the camera.

     

    You could also pressure Canon to support the DNG format in-camera.

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 4:03 PM   in reply to station_two

    New Canon owners DON’T BUY ADOBE PRODUCTS, be aware than Adobe will not support your future camera models, you have to upgrade your adobe software EVERY YEAR, because in less than a year your Adobe products will become OBSOLETE and no support or updates will be available to use your new cameras.

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 5:33 PM   in reply to MPpulido

    The Adobe policy is to provide free updates for currently shipping products. The current version of Photoshop is CS6, the current Camera Raw is 7.1.

     

    Providing backwards compatibility of older software with newer versions of Camera Raw is a major technical problem. Camera Raw is a plug-in with dependancies on the host version of Photoshop's SDK. Camera Raw 7.x is designed to use the CS6 SDK. Photoshop CS6 has different platform requirements than Photoshop CS5 had. So, trying to force fit Camera Raw 7.x to work in Photoshop CS5 would require a code branch of the Camera Raw code that would substantially complicate future development–meaning it would put a major dent in the development resources that Adobe could apply to future updates–a bad thing for current customers. Personally, as a CS6 user, I would not like that at all.

     

    Adobe provides backwards compatibility for new cameras in old versions of Photoshop for free. Yes, it's an additional step but one that only costs a bit of time on your part. The free DNG Converter is capable of producing DNGs that are compatible back to Camera Raw 2.4 in Photoshop CS...and again, this is free and something that Adobe didn't HAVE to do...

     

    You want new cameras to be supported in older software–fact is these new cameras produce new raw file formats that are proprietary and undocumented–it takes a lot of work o decode new formats. This problem is a direct result of the failure of the camera companies to adopt a raw file format standard that would eliminate the need for new camera format decoding...you are perfectly happy buying a new camera that creates a new, un-compatible raw format and blame only Adobe for failing to upgrade old software? Your expectations are unrealistic and you are trying to place blame on the wrong party, it's the camera company's who are at fault for not adhering to some sort of standard that would free users of the problems they face now. Blame the company that sold you the camera that is not compatible with your software...it ain't Adobe's fault.

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 7:10 PM   in reply to Jeff Schewe

    That is exactly the point, how is possible to consider a software OLD and OBSOLETE and UNSUPPORTED if the software ADOBE CREATIVE SUITE 5.5 PRODUCTION PREMIUM, was sold DIRECTLY by ADOBE, 9 months ago. It is not unrealistic it is a rip-off.

     

    That specifically is my complaint, I understand the technical difficulties, I am a software developer, but also I understand that the RAW support could be implemented in the CS5 plugging too, without the new SDK paraphernalia, As adobe implemented in the “free DNG Converter”

     

    My intention is not blame Adobe, It is to let people now what will happen with Adobes’s products in the future, when people upgrade their CANON cameras:

     

    YOU HAVE TO PAY THE UPGRATE TO NEW RELEASE TO CONTINUE USING YOUR CURRENT CAMERA FEATURES OR DON’T SHOOT RAW or user the Adobe’ work around.

     

    I think everybody understood this situation, I also understood your point, I respect it, but I don’t agree.

     

    Regards,

     

    Marco.

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 7:14 PM   in reply to MPpulido

    Marco, is there some problem with upgrading Photoshop to each new release?  I'm not seeing it.

     

    You make the assumption that there's no new functionality that brings value to the upgrade.

     

    Why did you buy a new camera?  Are you thinking that new hardware is worth buying, but new software is not for some reason?

     

    And there is always the free DNG converter solution, allowing you to use any new model camera with just about any old version of Photoshop's Camera Raw.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Aug 18, 2012 10:36 PM   in reply to MPpulido

    MPpulido wrote:

     

    That is exactly the point, how is possible to consider a software OLD and OBSOLETE and UNSUPPORTED if the software ADOBE CREATIVE SUITE 5.5 PRODUCTION PREMIUM, was sold DIRECTLY by ADOBE, 9 months ago. It is not unrealistic it is a rip-off.

     

    Again, your expectations are unrealistic...while you may have bought CS 5.5 only 9 months ago, you did so on the end of the upgrade cycle...you should have expected a new upgraded version would not be released not long after you bought CS 5.5.

     

    Nature of the beast...your expectations that CS 5.x would be upgraded was unrealistic...once a new version ships, the outdated versions will not ever be upgradable...your bad dooode...and again, the solution to your issue is the free DNG Converter–which is free BTW...something Adobe did NOT have to do...

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 9:44 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel, I just bounced over from the general discussions forum.  I downloaded the standalone DNG converter...and guess what?  It does not see the .CR2 files from the Canon T4i.  In all honesty, had I known the 6.7 update would not have handled the T4i, I would have selected the "convert to DNG" upon downloading from the SD card.  It simply never occurred to me that Adobe wouldn't keep up with it, CS5 Extended is not that old.  As I have never had such a thing happen, I did my usual and deleted the files from the card.  Then, thinking it might be a card issue and not an Adobe issue, I reformatted that card.  Now, surely enough I can move the files BACK to the card and then import them again in Bridge, using the option to convert.  But be aware that the standalone DNG converter is NOT seeing these files.

     

    This is really something everyone should be aware of.

     

    I will switch to CS6, just not at the moment...unless I have no other choice.  It isn't so much the cost of the software as it is the tremendous amounts of files that are never quite cleared up, all the plug-ins, etc.

     

    I will let you know how the operation of moving the files back to the card and then importing them again goes.  I have to switch to the tower to do that.  BB in a bit.

     

    Indy

     

    Update:  This is referring to the Canon T4i only:

     

    1.  The Adobe Standalone DNG converter does NOT recognize, see, the .CR2 files created by the T4i at all, therefore it cannot convert what it does not see.

     

    2.  After moving the files from my computer back into the original folder on the SD card for that camera and importing them again via Bridge and choosing the "convert to DNG" option...the converter informed me that it failed for all 65 files.

     

    So in otherwords, I am forced to upgrade now whether I wanted to or not.

     

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    Aug 19, 2012 10:32 AM   in reply to IndyMcDuff

    What version of the DNG converter did you download?  For THAT application you need the very latest version, 7.1. 

     

    It's Camera Raw 6 that's locked to Photoshop CS5.  You always want the latest DNG converter.  It embodies the latest knowledge of cameras and produces a file that the older versions of Photoshop can open.

     

    Yes, it's confusing, but I believe you'll be able to get there from here.  And since you've bought a new camera, I know funds may be short, but it's worth getting Photoshop CS6 for the quite significant improvements they've made in the raw conversion algorithms.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 10:39 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Scratch that.  It appears T4i support is not yet in the DNG Converter 7.1.  This is the first I've heard of a difference in camera support between Camera Raw and DNG converter of the same version.

     

    Adobe sure does make this confusing, don't they?

     

    Be patient.  They release a new version every 3 months or so, and your camera is no doubt going to be in it.

     

    Blame Canon on the delays.  They both make new formats for every new camera, and they do NOT share the specifications, so the Adobe folks are saddled with reverse-engineering each new camera's output.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 11:13 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    > Blame Canon on the delays

     

    really ? Adobe has already all the necessary details to work with T4i raw files (ACR v7.1.0.354 opens them just fine) - they (Adobe) just did not update DNG converter for whatever reason and you are suggesting to blame Canon for that delay w/ DNG converter update ?

     

    PS: and T4i (at least non compressed raw files) actually seems to be supported by DNG converter 7.1.0.354 - so even that is not an issue...

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 11:08 AM   in reply to IndyMcDuff

    > So in otherwords, I am forced to upgrade now whether I wanted to or not

     

    just install CS6 as trial - you will be able to use ACR to convert your raws to DNG then hopefully Adobe will update their DNG converter... if not, after your CS6 trial will expire - do the same trial with LR4 - that again hopefully will carry you to the next DNG converter release

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 11:14 AM   in reply to deejjjaaaa

    +1 Adobe already have the current, RAW file format especification, Cannon 5D mark III, canon 1DX are supported in Camera RAW 6.7 And Canon T4i is supported in 7.1 version.

     

    I am not going to blame Canon, I am not going to blame Adoble, I am going to blame all the adobe customers using Cs5.5 or OLDER versions, including me for renew our cameras.

     

    Common.

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 11:15 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    > It appears T4i support is not yet in the DNG Converter 7.1.

     

    I downloaded a raw file from http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-t4i/T4IFAR2I0100.CR2.HTM - both ACR 7.1.0.354 and DNG Converter 7.1.0.354 have no issues working w/ that... so Noel, you need to check your version of DNG Converter !

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 11:18 AM   in reply to MPpulido

    > I am not going to blame Adobe

     

    I wish they were selling ACR for the price of LR or little less...  myth about SDK (see Schewe) is not exactly true - everybody heard that ACR 7 from leaked/stolen prerelease was working with CS5.

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 11:18 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    I downloaded the latest version.  I am a retired professional photographer and a current computer consultant.   So you are basically telling me things I've known for a very long time.  The money issue is not the big issue.  It is the time needed to completely make CS6 work with my additional software.  It is also a matter of not wanting to clutter up the rather small (as a lot of SSD drives are) C drive on the laptop...and all of these installations create clutter as you well know.  Unless you use something such as REVO to uninstall, there are fragments everywhere.  As a result, I'm going to have to install it all on the larger D drive, which is also infuriating as this machine was built for speed with an SSD drive, dual quad cores, 16gb ram...and being forced to upgrade isn't making me happy at this point!

     

    Now, I've downloaded the trial, although I intend to buy, but I just wanted to check out the T4i information.  The T4i is just one of many, many cameras.  As I've said, I've had Photoshop since PS4, not CS4...it is more a matter of having to now re-do Nik software, On-One software, Topaz software, all to work with CS6.  I used the Adobe Application Manager and it automatically did CS6 64 bit, but now I have to see if they have extended, because I have CS5 Extended.

     

    Then, I have two main computers that I use...A Dell T7400 and an IBM W701,  So I will be at least two days doing all of this, including fonts, brushes, actions that I have made or saved.  This is why I wasn't so eager to upgrade.  After I downloaded the trial, I had to download and install the 7.1 Camera Raw patch, and then finally I could open the files.

     

    Indy

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 11:28 AM   in reply to deejjjaaaa

    No, the stand alone did not see the files, trust me.

     

    There is software that comes with the camera that could have done this, image processing software.  But personally, I do feel that Canon and Nikon are the two biggest, and I'm sure Adobe gets every new camera that comes out, from the manufacturer, so that the users can work with the cameras and Adobe products.  I do also feel that Adobe should support CS5 for a while longer until they had something really new to offer in CS6.  I haven't seen anything that worthy of an upgrade.

     

    Another reason why I hesitated on CS6 is that I'm not sure how Windows 8 is going to be.  Who knows how many errors that will cause in and of itself?  I would rather have installed Windows 8, completed all the trouble-shooting, all of the snags, before installing CS6.

     

    Now, who knows how many image restores will have to happen?  The timing isn't good.

     

    Indy

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 11:41 AM   in reply to MPpulido

    Good idea, Adobe camera Raw is as good as other adobe products, just convert  the plugin to a Product. But again, it is used to sell the elements and photoshop upgrade. They will never do it.

     

    It is used to force people shouting RAW to upgrade.

     

    Personally I bought CS5.5 because that plugin, I consider myself more a photographer hobbyist than a graphic edito,mbut I really like that plugin.

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 2:56 PM   in reply to deejjjaaaa

    deejjjaaaa wrote:

     

    myth about SDK (see Schewe) is not exactly true - everybody heard that ACR 7 from leaked/stolen prerelease was working with CS5.

     

    "working" is not the same as full backwards compatibility testing on each platform and OS versions that CS5/5.5 worked on...could Adobe make ACR 7.x work on CS5? Prolly for many/most platforms and OSs, but it would be a lot of work to do so–work that would take the engineers away from fixing bugs and adding new cameras to the current customers running CS6 with ACR 7.x.

     

    The technical limitations of backwards compatibilities and cross-SDK support issues are not a myth. If you knew anything about developing plug-ins for Photoshop you would know better.

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 3:47 PM   in reply to deejjjaaaa

    deejjjaaaa wrote:

     

    > It appears T4i support is not yet in the DNG Converter 7.1.

     

    I downloaded a raw file from http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-t4i/T4IFAR2I0100.CR2.HTM - both ACR 7.1.0.354 and DNG Converter 7.1.0.354 have no issues working w/ that... so Noel, you need to check your version of DNG Converter !

     

    I did not test it.  I just looked in the release notes for DNG Converter 7.1 (in which the T4i does not show), and assumed that Indy was confirming that it was not working.

     

    Some of you folks sure have an awful lot of attitude toward the people who work hard to bring you support for new cameras after the release of their products without any help from the camera maker.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 3:53 PM   in reply to IndyMcDuff

    If money is not an object, and you're looking to get the best possible performance out of SSD storage, may I suggest doing what I did on my Precision T5400 - create a big 2 TB C: drive out of an array of SSDs.  I can provide you specifics to create a rock solid and incredibly fast setup if you'd like.  Everything is instantaneous, and Photoshop CS6 works great.

     

    With 1.8 gigabytes/second sustained disk throughput and near zero latency I can hardly notice when Photoshop accesses its scratch file.

     

    Trying to use SSD storage any other way (e.g., on the cheap) is simply paddling upstream.  You might be able to get there, but you don't get all the benefits you could and you do get ongoing problems.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 4:07 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    I'm replying this way as the forum website isn't responding for me at the

    moment.

     

     

     

    The SSD is on a Lenovo W701, specifically for images.so an array on that

    would not be practical.  Sometimes I need to edit on location.  I'm retired

    as a pro but still do some work, stuff I want to do as opposed to massive

    contracts.

     

     

     

    The lighter I can travel, and the more speed I can have, the better.  I take

    along 2 Iomega 2 TB USB3 eGo's.  Or at least I think they are 2 TB, I have

    quite a few so I get a little confused here and there.  Images are

    immediately backed up that way.

     

     

     

    Right now I am installing the purchased upgrade from CS5.1 Extended 64B to

    the CS6 Extended on the Precision 4700 (it has 4 1 TB onboard) and about 8 2

    TB peripherals for storage and backup.

     

     

     

    This is not as fast as the laptop simply because there is a great deal of

    software on it.  However, when I am at home, I'm not in a rush.  It will be

    a bother putting all those plug-ins back.plus all the brushes and whatnot.

    It IS a bother I didn't want to have to handle at this point in time.

     

     

     

    Indy

     
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    Aug 19, 2012 5:24 PM   in reply to IndyMcDuff

    > No, the stand alone did not see the files, trust me.

     

    may be it did not see it but it converted T4i raw file w/o problem when the raw file was passed as a parameter by XnView

     
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