Adobe Community: Alternate layouts, facing pages,single pages, but not both?

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1. Neil Enns - Adobe,

Jun 5, 2012 8:55 AM in reply to Steve Kelly

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Alternate layouts share document settings with the main layout, including your ruler settings and as far as I can tell facing pages. You should have a separate InDesign document for your print layout and digital layouts.

One key reason: presuambly you want to work in points and picas for your print layout, and you should work in pixels for the digital layout. Otherwise you'll get rounding oddities when the points are converted to pixels, and elements may shift slightly in your layout when you create the folio.

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2. Steve Kelly,

Jun 5, 2012 9:38 AM in reply to Neil Enns - Adobe

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Thanks for the response Neil, I just needed confirmation. Although I find that i don't really get any of the issues you mention at the moment, as everything is generally tweaked when i transpose a layout to ipad.

I think I was expecting this to be a nice system for keeping an entire issue of a magazine in one place, print, ipad and iphone, but I wil just have to get used to having the print version as a completely seperate entity. Being a user who has to work accross all these aspects I wonder if it might be something the powers that be might look at for the future.

Thanks again

Steve

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3. Michael_OSP,

Jun 5, 2012 11:46 AM in reply to Neil Enns - Adobe

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Neil, I thought Adobe highlighted alternate layout to have multiple versions -- for different devices and printing -- all in a single InDesign file. Are you now saying that an InDesign user should not keep all layouts in the same file and not use that feature of CS 6?

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4. Steve Kelly,

Jun 5, 2012 12:02 PM in reply to Michael_OSP

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Well I have to agree with you, but it's not a question of should, you simply can't keep a normal print doc that uses facing pages in the same file as one that doesn't. I might even suggest that CS6 doesn't actually do what it say on the tin. Also when i think about Neil's answer to my question, his argument would pertain to any print doc I want to translate to digital, not just a facing pages doc.

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5. Neil Enns - Adobe,

Jun 5, 2012 12:59 PM in reply to Michael_OSP

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Alternate layouts aren't intended to combine print and digital in one file. Our recommended workflow is to have a print edition InDesign document, and then use alternate layouts in a separate InDesign file to handle all the digital devices you want to support.

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6. HAEME ULRICH,

Jun 5, 2012 1:06 PM in reply to Neil Enns - Adobe

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Linked Content would be a great CS6 feature for manage content in different

ID docs.

Haeme Ulrich

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7. Steve Kelly,

Jun 5, 2012 1:12 PM in reply to HAEME ULRICH

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There is an option to do that Haeme, under the edit menu, 'place and link' will do what you want and it will update content through all docs.

Steve

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8. Michael_OSP,

Jun 5, 2012 1:35 PM in reply to Neil Enns - Adobe

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Neil, you may want to find out who is responsible for this on the Adobe site and have them take it down because it is the opposite of what you are saying:

http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign.html (video from Terry White, Worldwide Design Evangelist)

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9. Neil Enns - Adobe,

Jun 5, 2012 2:02 PM in reply to Michael_OSP

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At 1:02 of the video you can see Terry's document structure. He's working purely with digital editions in the InDesign document: iPad V, iPad H, and Galaxy Tab V. He doesn't mention anywhere that you should include both print and digital in the same file.

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10. Steve Kelly,

Jun 5, 2012 2:23 PM in reply to Neil Enns - Adobe

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Well I'm sure we all read a lot more into the capabilities of this new feature than were actually available, and I would suggest that is because there are designers like myself who would find it very useful. I think it would be a great idea for a file to include the facility to move from print to digital in the most efficient way possible, ie one file. After all that's why I've used Abobe all these years.

Thanks for your responses Neil

Steve

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11. Michael_OSP,

Jun 5, 2012 2:46 PM in reply to Neil Enns - Adobe

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Thanks Neil. I do see that in the video and I was reading more, like Steve suggests, into the capabilities. And like Steve I haven't seen at the moment any of the issues you raised but I will try to not mix the print & digital layouts in the same file.

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12. Neil Enns - Adobe,

Jun 5, 2012 3:50 PM in reply to Michael_OSP

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I didn't think there was any issue with using points/picas and then just publishing to DPS, but it does result in rounding errors (fractions of a pixel when the math is done) that can cause overlays to jump around in your final output when users interact with them. It's not common, but it does happen.

Stick with pixels and you'll be much happier.

Neil

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13. Angusdog,

Jun 5, 2012 4:56 PM in reply to Neil Enns - Adobe

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Hi Neil,

Perhaps you can help with this discussion (http://forums.adobe.com/message/4443801#4443801) which received no replies.

I cannot specify font sizes in anything other than points (CS6, no trouble in CS5.5). Perhaps it's something to do with the same size font on iPad 2 and iPad 3 but different pixel dimensions, but your above comment concerns me.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Simon.

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14. Neil Enns - Adobe,

Jun 5, 2012 5:01 PM in reply to Angusdog

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Sorry, I don't know what happened to the option of specifying font sizes in dimensions other than points. That's really unrelated to DPS, however.

My comment about pixels vs. points is specifically about the units used for the rulers, and objects positioned on the page.

Neil

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