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Why did Adobe UI Designers ruin the PS 6 crop tool?

Jun 8, 2012 7:06 PM

I've been paying for every upgade for PhotoShop since version 2,5 on a Mac SE 30. Now the most essential tool, the crop tool, is totally broken. Is anyone at Adobe today still a photographer or designer? How do I make you see the error of your ways? Please contact me.

1732 Views   11 Replies   Latest reply: TimOlive, Jun 9, 2012 4:45 AM
 
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  • Jeff Schewe
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    1. Jeff Schewe,
    May 25, 2012 8:32 PM   in reply to rpcb@surewest.net
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    If you don't like it, you can change it...see the little Gear thingie? Select the Use Classic Mode...and in point of fact, the Photoshop engineers are very into photography which is one reason the Crop tool in CS6 was made more like the crop tool in Lightroom because for the purpose of cropping images, the CS6 crop tool is much better. Yes, it's different and takes getting used to (not so much of you also use Lightroom). But for those who don't like it, use the old fuddie mode, er, Clasic Mode.

     

    P.S. exactly why do you think they would want to contact you? Are you some sort of expert? I don't think so...your user name is your email address which is pretty stooopid because it exposes your address to spammers. Just sayin' ya might want to get a clue–the Internet is a rough place these days.

     
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  • rpcb@surewest.net
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    2. rpcb@surewest.net,
    May 25, 2012 10:21 PM   in reply to Jeff Schewe
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    Thank you so much, Mr. Schewe. I already tried that before I posted, but it didn't work. But I appreciate your kind and thoughful response.

     
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  • Trevor.Dennis
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    3. Trevor.Dennis,
    May 25, 2012 10:43 PM   in reply to rpcb@surewest.net
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    rpcb,  I guess it is inherently built into people to be resistant to change.  I know that I had a bit of a paddy with the new Crop tool, but having got used to it, I have to say it is a major improvement over the old Crop tool.  Unfortunately, the excellent Lynda.com New Features title by Deke McClelland is no longer viewable without a subscription, but there are a host of tutorials out there.  The first one in this list misses out the Straighten feature, and the fact that you can bring up the missing Resolution options by hitting the 'r' after you start dragging any of the handles.

     
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  • rpcb@surewest.net
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    4. rpcb@surewest.net,
    May 26, 2012 7:12 AM   in reply to Trevor.Dennis
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    Thank you very much, Trevor.  The undocumented keyboard command is very useful and reduces some extra steps in the workflow imposed by the new tool.  One additional problem I was having, which may be unique to my installation: the crop does not respond to "enter" or "return" from the keyboard.  I have to use the the little check box to close the crop. Took me a while to figure this out, as I don't use Lightroom.  And I suppose you're right about resistance to change.  In the almost 20 years I've been using PhotoShop, I've been very pleased with the positive changes each new version provided.  Suppose I just have to take the bad with the good. 

     
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  • MikeKPhoto
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    5. MikeKPhoto,
    May 26, 2012 7:15 AM   in reply to Trevor.Dennis
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    Well there is a natural resistance to change, but taking away a productivity feature - like the resolution box - was a not so bright move. I do like the new crop features, but going to the classic mode does not bring this back. And the crop tools are not consistent, the Perspective Crop does have the resolution box - go figure why they did this - so yes with these two issue, there is a resistance to change.

     

    MK

     
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  • TimOlive
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    6. TimOlive,
    Jun 8, 2012 11:12 AM   in reply to MikeKPhoto
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    The resolution box is not missing tom the new PS6 crop tool.  It moved to the dropbox on the left.  Down near the bottom, you will find the option for Size and Resolution. Allows presets too, which I like. Nice time-saver when doing a series of repetitive crops.

     

    However, the new crop tool has a bug that has been overwhelming to a rushed job.  In some circumstances it blows the image into multi-colored stripes on black.   Prints this way, too. You won't see it in the image preview, just when using certain other programs (like EFI eSpress proofer).  Going back to Classic as a result.  Absolutely KILLs a hard day trying to meet a publication deadline.

     
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  • SG...
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    Jun 8, 2012 11:26 AM   in reply to TimOlive
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    Hi Tim,

     

    That sounds like your getting data corruption from the GPU. What video card and driver version do you have? Also, can you confirm that after executing the crop, you don't see the corruption? Does it show up if you change the view magnification to Actual pixels?

     

    regards,

    steve

     
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  • TLL...
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    8. TLL...,
    Jun 8, 2012 12:45 PM   in reply to rpcb@surewest.net
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    Hey you're not the only one who's p&mming about this particular 'feature' - of importance is you note of "some extra steps in the workflow" which we all need like another hole in the head. And still no red 'x'... grrr

     
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  • TimOlive
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    9. TimOlive,
    Jun 8, 2012 12:55 PM   in reply to SG...
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    Hi Steve,

     

    The video card is ATI Radeon HD 4870 with two monitors.  See About This Mac details below.  No, I do not see the corruption in Photoshop. Nor does it show up at actual pixels. 

     

    Thanks for your prompt reply.  It means a lot.

     

    TimØ

     

    Chipset Model:     ATI Radeon HD 4870

      Type:     GPU

      Bus:     PCIe

      Slot:     Slot-1

      PCIe Lane Width:     x16

      VRAM (Total):     512 MB

      Vendor:     ATI (0x1002)

      Device ID:     0x9440

      Revision ID:     0x0000

      ROM Revision:     113-B7710F-176

      EFI Driver Version:     01.00.318

      Displays:

    LCD3090WQXi:

      Resolution:     2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

      Pixel Depth:     32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)

      Display Serial Number:     96302303YA 

      Mirror:     Off

      Online:     Yes

      Rotation:     Supported

      Adapter Type:     Mini DisplayPort To Dual-Link DVI Adapter

      Adapter Firmware Version:      1.02

    LCD3090WQXi:

      Resolution:     2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

      Pixel Depth:     32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)

      Display Serial Number:     96302073YA 

      Main Display:     Yes

      Mirror:     Off

      Online:     Yes

      Rotation:     Supported

     
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  • SG...
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    Jun 8, 2012 3:23 PM   in reply to TimOlive
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    Hi Tim,

     

    What OSX version are you using? Do you have a sample file with this problem that we can investigate? If so, I can contact you off-post to work thru the details of handing of the file.

     

    regards,

    steve

     
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  • TimOlive
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    Jun 9, 2012 4:45 AM   in reply to SG...
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    Hi Steve,

     

    I'm using OSX 10.6.8.  Sure, no problem providing a sample file.  Also, it looks like there is a simple and clean work-around that I will post here after testing a little further.

     

    Thanks again Steve.

     

    Tim

     
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