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When will Lightroom 4 get an update for the new Macbook Pro with Retina Display?

Jun 14, 2012 7:26 AM

Tags: #lightroom #apple #macbook_pro_with_retina_display

I just ordered a new macbook pro with retina display, and I know that photoshop is already compatible with it, 90% of my work is done in Lightroom. So I was wondering when or if there will be an update for the new high resolution display?

 

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Eric

 
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    Jun 14, 2012 7:27 AM   in reply to Eric_jon

    The most likely scenario, in my opinion, is at the next dot release.  Dot releases come out roughly every three months.

     
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    Jun 14, 2012 10:01 AM   in reply to Lee Jay

    3 month can be long.

    May be we can get a new beta version in 3-4 weeks.

     

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    Jun 14, 2012 1:00 PM   in reply to Eric_jon

    Same thing's being discussed over on the PS forum, and apparently PS will also present some problems with such a high res display as well: the main issue being raised is that the user interface components will be very small. One of the engineers stated that they'll be working on it, but it won't be resolved immediately. I'm sure Adobe will soon be on top of it though. That said, they still only support a max preview size of 2048 pixels in LR, and higher res monitors have been around for some time now...

     

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    Jun 16, 2012 12:40 AM   in reply to Mollysnoot

    Does anybody have already one of the new MacBook Pros with Retina Display and can share a screen shot and video, how LR looks like on the display?

     

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    Jun 18, 2012 1:47 PM   in reply to Eric_jon

    I saw this week-end the new Macbook Pro at Apple store ..

    Impressive to see picture soo sharp !!!

     

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    Jun 19, 2012 8:08 AM   in reply to jomo21

    I took delivery of my RMBP last week on Thursday and ingested my first shoot Saturday. I can report that LR previews are significantly compromised at the moment (sorry no time to produce screenshots, others will shortly I'm sure), so much so that critical image selection is almost impossible. For comparison I purchased and installed the latest version of Aperture and the difference is enormous. Aperture shows the full potential of the new display. I can't fault Adobe for this issue, Apple's pre-launch secrecy would seem to be the culprit. I only hope Adobe produces updates for LR and Photoshop quickly to give image previews parity with Aperture. As someone who has deliberately stuck with LR3.6  pending other performance improvements in LR4, I'd say the chances of the "fix" being back ported to LR3.6 are probably slim to none. Pity.

     

    Commentary. This is so typical for technology today, one step forward, at least one step backward. I needed to replace a four-year-old MBP and with a four-week assignment in France upcoming I pulled the trigger on the RMBP. Pluses. Thinner and lighter - any reduction is good for air travel, 16GB RAM (the old machine had 6GB), SSD drive, immediate USB 3 throughput improvement while portable Thunderbolt solutions (card readers and non-raid drive solutions) still mature AND an awesome screen. Unfortunately all negated, or at least temporarily hamstrung by the preview rendering issue. Bottom line I have a couple of days to get comfortable with Aperture for editing on the road. Hopefully by the time I'm back in August and the real editing begins there will be a patch. Then, like it or not I'll have to deal with the worklfow throughput challenges of LR4 and 25,000 images.

     

    We really are all guinea pigs these days, nothing is fully baked anymore. We pay our money and then start our second jobs as beta testers and QA engineers.

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 10:38 AM   in reply to VeloDramatic

    VeloDramatic:

    If you go in to the prefrence setting on your new MBP, you can choose different resolution sttings. Have you tried viewing LR with while selecting different resolution settings? Perhaps this will help.

     
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    Jun 20, 2012 11:37 AM   in reply to Flashbulb65

    Flashbulb65,

     

    I experimented with those alternative resolutions, the one that shows the most screen real estate helps a little but doesn't come close to fixing the problem... unfortunately. Lloyd Chambers at macperformanceguide.com now has his RMBP and should stay on top of the issue.

     
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    Jun 29, 2012 9:34 PM   in reply to VeloDramatic

    Especially if dealing with that many images, you would be much better off using Photo Mechanic for previews, picks/rejects, tagging, and culling. I can't believe I've gone years without using it. Realtime 1:1 preview rendering and imports faster than I can cull. Amazing stuff.

     
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    Jun 30, 2012 8:59 AM   in reply to VeloDramatic

    If you are looking for a temporary way to see the embedded JPEG previews in a NEF file (for example) all you need to do is select the files of interest in the Finder and press the space bar.  These are good enough to do the culling.

     
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    Jul 9, 2012 11:02 AM   in reply to Eric_jon

    I've been using a free script ("Change Resolution) to run os x on the rMBP at its native 2880x1800 resolution when editing photos - LR4 is surprisingly useful, and the largest 2048px LR preview perfectly fits in the interface without scaling at this resolution. Here's a screenshot:

     

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ue63htrwxlkjtmu/Lightroom%204%20Screenshot%2 0at%20Native%202880x1800%20resolution%20on%20Retina%20Macbook%20Pro.jp g

     

    I have good eyes and I use a lot of shortcut keys when editing so I haven't had any workflow slowdowns. Plus, the out-of-box color and tonal accuracy is really quite good. It's a tad compressed in the blacks but it's the best stock screen for photo editing I've ever seen. Unless I'm writing a bunch of emails I'm keeping it at this super-high, unscaled res most of the time. Until the apps get updated for this display it's really the only useful way to use it without the interfaces and photos looking like crap.

     

    chris

     
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    Jul 9, 2012 12:59 PM   in reply to goodeyecss

    I tried the high 2880x1800 resolution with the script.

    The menues and adjustement tools are just too small. :-(

    Adobe needs to update Lightroom and provide us at least a beta version for testing with the Retina MBP.

     

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    Jul 18, 2012 11:40 PM   in reply to jomo21

    Will also jump the boat soon, would be great if LR could provide a patch for its loyal and generally, happy users!

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 12:01 AM   in reply to SteffenB70

    Keep in mind there are other issues that will be ahead in priority than this.

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 4:27 AM   in reply to Geoff the kiwi

    That's too bad that this might be a low priority for Adobe. Certainly for owners of the Retina display this probably would be their most important issue, before some other little bug fix or new feature.

     

    Adobe does a good job of maintaining LR on the Mac, which I'm guessing has a smaller user base than the Windows version of LR.

     

    I wish LR had better integration with the OS/Mac apps in things like Mail and iTunes to make LR easier for non-technical users. There's plugins and work arounds to make those things work, but it's not slick and Apple'y like sticking with Apple only apps. This issue with the Retina display is yet another uncomfortable issue that makes people think about switching to Aperture.

     

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    Jul 19, 2012 4:56 AM   in reply to fubalumateli

    fubalumateli wrote:

     

    That's too bad that this might be a low priority for Adobe.

     

    No one said it's a low priority.  Geoff said that other issues will be ahead in priority, but that doesn't mean they're ignoring people with new retina machines.  Adobe haven't made an announcement, but rest assured they will be working on it and they'll push it out the door as soon as they can.  They generally have to wait for these machines and the details like everyone else, whereas Apple obviously had a significant head start.  Hang in there!

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 5:40 AM   in reply to Victoria Bampton

    Sure, I didn't mean (or say) "ignore". To qualify my comment "low priority" I meant the priority of the Retina display issue in respect to what ever else Geoff had in mind that would be a higher priority, a point I think I clearly went on to explain.

     

    I certainly will hang in here. I've tried Aperture and I missed certain features Lightroom has that I wouldn't want to/can't live without, and I didn't like the UI.

     

    My personal interest in this is my current MBP is dying and I need to get a new one. I want the Retina display model for the flash memory. If the Retina display was a stand alone option I might choose the flash memory without the Retina display for this issue and I suspect there's others out there as well.

     

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    Jul 19, 2012 7:27 AM   in reply to fubalumateli

    What is it about the new Retina display that doesn’t allow you to use LR?

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 7:40 AM   in reply to Andrew Rodney
     
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    Jul 19, 2012 8:04 AM   in reply to Rikk Flohr

    It's funny, some commenters have made it seem like LR is currently unusable because of how bad photos look in certain views. I'm definitely going for the Retina display and will wait for LR to get updated.

     

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    Jul 19, 2012 8:32 AM   in reply to Rikk Flohr

    Rikk Flohr wrote:

    It isn't optimized yet.

    What does that mean? The URL doesn’t clear that up one bit.

    This affects just LR or all Adobe (and other) applications?

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 8:40 AM   in reply to Andrew Rodney

    Lightroom hasn't had interface elements upgraded yet but it runs and according to Matt K, it works and looks fine.

     

    Ergo, there is nothing to prevent it's running. Or was your question rhetorical?

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 9:12 AM   in reply to Rikk Flohr

    Rikk Flohr wrote:

     

    Lightroom hasn't had interface elements upgraded yet but it runs and according to Matt K, it works and looks fine.

     

    Ergo, there is nothing to prevent it's running. Or was your question rhetorical?

    Not at all, I’m actually thinking of purchasing such a unit as my ‘main machine’ instead of my older MacPro (the new MacPro’s are not impressive). And while I’d use this machine 80% of the time hooked up to an NEC SpectraView, I would use it on location with the Retina of course.

     

    But this still isn’t clear. LR’s interface elements haven’t be upgraded meaning what? Yet Matt K says it looks awesome. And yet others here are pleading for Adobe to ‘fix something’, the fix is what I don’t understand. Nor how this would affect my use of LR on the native display. And what about other applications? What’s up with Photoshop? It appears to be ‘less awesome’ than LR according to Matt. Why? I see in the article he doesn’t have it set for the same darkness as LR, is that the cause? The article added more confusion than clarity. Are you saying Rikk that everything is fine based on this piece and the others are asking for a fix that isn’t really necessary, or there is some issue?

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 9:15 AM   in reply to Andrew Rodney

    Well an application that has been upgraded to Retina elements will look better than one that hasn't.  I think at this time in Lightroom the picture would be "pixel doubled" in Lightroom whereas in Aperture (or iPhoto) you're seeing true 1:1 so the image will be sharper.

     

    Matt may say Lightroom looks "awesome" on the new Retina MacBook Pro, but certainly Aperture will look "awesomer" on screen with the same photo.  It will be easier to make critical sharpness decisions with Aperture than Lightroom at this time.

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 9:23 AM   in reply to CatOne

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    Well an application that has been upgraded to Retina elements will look better than one that hasn't.  I think at this time in Lightroom the picture would be "pixel doubled" in Lightroom whereas in Aperture (or iPhoto) you're seeing true 1:1 so the image will be sharper.

     

    Matt may say Lightroom looks "awesome" on the new Retina MacBook Pro, but certainly Aperture will look "awesomer" on screen with the same photo.  It will be easier to make critical sharpness decisions with Aperture than Lightroom at this time.

    Well I will just have to assume the article is a fluff piece assuming the OP is correct when he stated in the first post:  I know that photoshop is already compatible with it... Yet LR looks awesome but Photoshop doesn’t. And if Photoshop isn’t “optimized’ I still don’t understand why it doesn’t look good and LR is Awesome. I can understand that an application written for Retina could look more awesome, I’m curious what that takes in terms of engineering. But the bottom line sounds like you are saying, you can use LR, it should look better at some point, and where Photoshop lands in all this needs to be better defined.

     

    FWIW, I’d never make any critical sharpening decisions on a low resolution device like a display, albeit the new Retina gets us closer. My experience, especially with output sharpening is that an image that looks butt ugly and crunchy can produce a beautiful print. One of the reasons why LR is smart enough not to show us output sharpening.

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 9:27 AM   in reply to CatOne

    CatOne2 wrote:

     

    Well an application that has been upgraded to Retina elements will look better than one that hasn't.  I think at this time in Lightroom the picture would be "pixel doubled" in Lightroom whereas in Aperture (or iPhoto) you're seeing true 1:1 so the image will be sharper.

     

    Matt may say Lightroom looks "awesome" on the new Retina MacBook Pro, but certainly Aperture will look "awesomer" on screen with the same photo.  It will be easier to make critical sharpness decisions with Aperture than Lightroom at this time.

    Unfortunately the information you can find online on the usability of the rMBP for Lightroom work is confusing. I remember reading an article (unfortunately can't find it now) where a someone bought the rMBP as it came out and tried to use it for professional photography work. He said that the images looked fuzzy in Lightroom to the point of not being able to use it for properly judging image sharpness. He didn't say the images looked "awesome" in LR, or even "OK". He was clear that when zoomed 100% the quality was bad enough to make it unusable for judging whether the image was sharp or not.

     

    Then you see some other posts that say that it's just the interface text that looks a bit bad/really small when you enable full retina resolution, but that the images themselves look fine. I'm sure it will all be eventually addressed in a LR update. But right now it's hard to know if LR, as it stands at this point, can really be used on the rMBP for critical photography work.

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 9:41 AM   in reply to JorgeDV

    I don't see how Matt can say anything in LR4 on the rMBP looks good - the interface AND the image preview are both scaled which makes any critical editing impossible. If you tweak OS X to run at its native 2880x1800 resolution, which means no artificial scaling and all interface elements become tiny, THEN Lightroom and the photos look awesome. It's the only workaround right now until adobe updates the software. I've been using this mode for all my weddings, family shoots and commercial work for the past month and it's great. The interface might be too small for some people but any die hard LR people that use the keyboard more than the mouse will probably like it. 

     

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    Jul 19, 2012 9:50 AM   in reply to goodeyecss

    Hey Chris, thanks for posting that.

     

    I have pretty good eyesight, but even if I could not read the text in the LR interface I think I could find my way around as I've been using it for long enough to know what's where, and as you say I do quite a bit with keyboard shortcuts. Hearing from people that use LR and some form of tweak (like setRes) to force it to 2880x1800 and can report a good experience is really useful. It sounds like it would be a good compromise for me until LR gets a retina update. All I need to know is that I can trust the images I see in LR at retina resolution, and your answer to that seems to be "yes", which makes me happy .

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 10:02 AM   in reply to goodeyecss

    goodeyecss wrote:

     

    I don't see how Matt can say anything in LR4 on the rMBP looks good - the interface AND the image preview are both scaled which makes any critical editing impossible.

    Well I don’t think the article had anything useful to provide other than the speed tests between an old and new system (duh).

     

     

    If you tweak OS X to run at its native 2880x1800 resolution, which means no artificial scaling and all interface elements become tiny, THEN Lightroom and the photos look awesome. It's the only workaround right now until adobe updates the software. I've been using this mode for all my weddings, family shoots and commercial work for the past month and it's great. The interface might be too small for some people but any die hard LR people that use the keyboard more than the mouse will probably like it.

    OK, that paragraph provided more information about the issues than anything I’ve read so far. Thanks.

     

    Any comments about Photoshop?

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 10:30 AM   in reply to Andrew Rodney

    Andrew Rodney wrote:

     

    goodeyecss wrote:

     

     

    If you tweak OS X to run at its native 2880x1800 resolution, which means no artificial scaling and all interface elements become tiny, THEN Lightroom and the photos look awesome. It's the only workaround right now until adobe updates the software. I've been using this mode for all my weddings, family shoots and commercial work for the past month and it's great. The interface might be too small for some people but any die hard LR people that use the keyboard more than the mouse will probably like it.

    OK, that paragraph provided more information about the issues than anything I’ve read so far. Thanks.

     

    Any comments about Photoshop?

     

    From what I have read the 2880x1900 screen appears to be 1440x900 to an unmodified application.  When something is drawn to the screen the system uses 4 pixels for every 1 in the source.  In order to make the best use of the high resolution display the application must be modified to display images at native resolution while causing (I don't know how) text elements, etc, to be drawn larger.  If I set my MacBook Pro "retina" to 2880x1800, then, as others have said, the Lightroom screen elements a very small.

     

    I have also read the Adobe demonstrated a version of Photoshop running at native resolution on the 2880x900 screen.  Alas, I cannot find the source

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 10:36 AM   in reply to Bob_Peters

    Bob_Peters wrote:

     

    I have also read the Adobe demonstrated a version of Photoshop running at native resolution on the 2880x900 screen.  Alas, I cannot find the source

     

    http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/06/photoshop-cs6-retina-display-supp ort.html

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 10:40 AM   in reply to Butch_M

    Thanks, Butch!

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 10:44 AM   in reply to Andrew Rodney

    Andrew (and others),

     

    You may find the following article of interest.  This is from the anandtech.com review of the MacBook Pro retina display.

     

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina -display-review/6

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 10:58 AM   in reply to Bob_Peters

    The same issues affect the adobe creative suite (photoshop, etc) - we know CS6 will get the retina update but I personally doubt they'll update 5.5 or earlier, especially since they totally revamped the cs6 interface anyways.  

     

    Looking at un-optimized apps on the rMBP is like going to your parents' house in the late '90s and seeing they'd changed the resolution on their LCD to something non-native to make the icons bigger - in essence the net result is the same on the rMBP, everything gets a little fuzzy and generally looks like crap. 

     

    Make no mistake, this is the future and us early adopters will have to "suffer" a little until the software industry catches up - but there's no doubt in my mind that it will, and I'm personally really excited about the new interface possibilities as are hinted at with apple's aperture, final cut pro, etc.  

     

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    Jul 19, 2012 11:24 AM   in reply to Bob_Peters

    Bob_Peters wrote:

     

    Andrew (and others),

     

    You may find the following article of interest.  This is from the anandtech.com review of the MacBook Pro retina display.

     

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina -display-review/6

    Thanks, that was an incredibly useful article that explains a lot. Do I dare say it was awesome? Yes, send the URL to Matt <g>.

     
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    Jul 25, 2012 11:21 PM   in reply to VeloDramatic

    VeloDramatic wrote:

     

    I can't fault Adobe for this issue, Apple's pre-launch secrecy would seem to be the culprit.

    HiDPI has been around within XCode since JULI 2011:

     

    http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7/14/

     

    So if Adobe had really wanted, they could have easily given us proper Retina support since their launches of CS6 and LR4, just in time with the introduction of the rMBP.

     

    That said, I've hardly got any complaints with LR and Photoshop running under 2880x1800 trick mode. I don't even see any issues of a limitation to 2048px in preview. Just render full size previews, done. Editing images at that resolution is nothing short a revelation for me. You can see detail, texture _and_ the image as a whole at the same time, without a coarse display grid interfering. Judging image sharpness and finding blemishes - in the context of the whole - is just that much easier now.

     

    Ideal for me would be the interface scaled as if it was a 1920x1200 screen resolution, which would give both more screen real estate  and massively improved fidelity compared to the original 1440x900, with perfectly acceptable usability at the same time. Yes I know there is the "more space" option in the display settings, but that only leads to massive performance problems and artifacts since LR then just runs at 1920x1200, Quartz does the rest at a whopping 3840x2400 and than everything is scaled back to 2880x1800.

     
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    Jul 29, 2012 4:04 AM   in reply to goodeyecss

    So Adobe should get a beta version out, pretty soon.

    I thought they would be an early adopter of this new technology, since they were part of the WWDC this year.


     
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    Aug 2, 2012 8:43 PM   in reply to Eric_jon

    I know this was posted awhile ago. I just received my RMBP yesterday and loaded it with the latest releases of LR4 and PS6. PS6 interface is way worse then Lightroom. It appears to me that Adobe pushed out an update to LR4 for retina, cause the interface in LR4 is 10 times better then PS6. HOWEVER, when comparing in Mountain Lion Preview, at the same size, the image is 10 times better in Apple Preview then any Adobe product. Which makes it difficult as a photographer to see actual. Don't count being to precise in CS6 cause the pixels are off. While many lament the RMBP technology purchase, they have to consider that they bought next gen and have to have patience for software to evolve, that's just common sense. It doesn't happen over night. Enjoy your new RMBP and manage along the way with software. At least your not using PC! lol!

     
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    Aug 27, 2012 11:41 PM   in reply to webwitty

    LR4.2 RC is out.

    Did anybody test it on a new Macbook Pro Retina?

    Does it have Retina support , now?

     
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