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    Jun 19, 2012 11:37 AM   in reply to jkpboca74

    Jessie,

    Keep in mind your goal is not for Photoshop to display colors correctly...

    it it for Photoshop to display colors correctly within a color managed system. Colors are meaningless outside of a CMS.

     

    I believe Photoshop EULA allows you to install on second personal computer. Can you try this on a different machine? I really don't think the problem lies with PS, but with your setup (monitor, monitor profile or video card/driver)

     

    And please reset your Color Settings to NA General Purpose. Bad idea to use Monitor Profile as your working space.

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 12:35 PM   in reply to jkpboca74

    you shouldn't need to futz around with Photoshop Color Settings -- they are pretty straight forward

     

    my best free advice is:

     

    set your Photoshop Edit> Color Settings

    like this (and learn to deal with the profile warnings):

     

    CS.jpg

     

    ALWAYS "USE THE EMBEDDED PROFILE" when opening images in Photoshop

     

    if the document does not contain an embedded ICC profile

    EDIT> ASSIGN PROFILE (the one that looks the best on your 'calibrated' monitor

     

    then Edit> Convert to Profile (the desired profile if needed)

     

    NEVER SET PHOTOSHOP's WORKING RGB TO MONITOR RGB (a monitor profile)

     

    moving images that display correctly in Photoshop -- to unmanaged applications -- is not very complicated to conceptualize either — they generally send the RGB straight through to the monitor uncompensated (hence, they look different that Photoshop because Photoshop is correcting them for the monitor, and the unmanaged apps aren't)

     

    this is very easy to check in Photoshop by: View> Proof Setup: Monitor RGB (which is basically stripping the profile and sending your color straight through to the monitor unchanged -- the same behavior you see in unmanaged apps)...

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 3:15 PM   in reply to jkpboca74

    >> I don't have a problem with profile warnings.

     

    yet Photoshop shows your 'problem' file as "Untagged RGB" — that tells me you chose either:

     

    1. Leave as is (don't color manage) or
    2. Discard the embedded profile (don't color manage)

     

    that, in essence, is the same as Edit> Assign Profile: Working RGB profile

    then Photoshop Converts it to Monitor RGB

     

    that is generally a problem work flow, you should ALWAYS specify a Source profile in Photoshop (if you are using it to visually proof colors on the monitor or printer)

     

    >> what I have a problem with is having an "embedded profile" that displays orange when it is really red, saves as red and prints as red.

     

    if you used the embedded profile in Photoshop (on a proper, calibrated monitor) — and it still displays wrong — either:

     

    1. your file is the culprit, or
    2. you have a bad install (corruption, bugs, user settings to rule out), or
    3. bad hardware

     

    >> how am I supposed to edit that way. it would be a total guessing game

     

    no guessing at all, it is actually very predictable...

     

    if Photoshop is configured properly, it shows you a faithful monitor proof through a SourceProfile-to-MonitorProfile CONVERSION process

     

    the problem i think you are facing is first:

     

    1. you are not specifying the correct Source Profile, and/or
    2. you are confusing how managed and unmanaged apps deal with profiles/colorspaces,
    3. and on the print side, your Print settings are not setting up a proper SourceProfile-to-PrintProfile CONVERSION

     

    this takes some time and effort to understand...

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 3:18 PM   in reply to gator soup

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    at this point i may suggest testing your workflow/configuration with a known good image like the PHOTODISK PDI Whacked.jpg

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 4:50 PM   in reply to gator soup

    It's pretty clear that she is creating the problem for herself, because she doesn't understand any of the help she has been offered and doesn't have the correct workflow through lack of understanding or failure to make corrections p[roperly. This isn't that difficult. On my system all of her screenshots were the same color, red.

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 5:58 PM   in reply to jkpboca74

    >> can't figure out how to save the jpg

     

    the download link there should have downloaded a .zip file to your computer

     

    simply uncompress the .zip and you should see a folder that contains the .jpg

     

    again, running the Whacked RGB file through your different workflows/applications should be enlightening

     

    Photoshop, color management in general, is a lot like "wax on - wax off"

     

    not too difficult in theory, but you do need to understand the basic concept...

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 6:08 PM   in reply to jkpboca74

    >> I chose discard embedded  profile because that's the only way to get PS to display the red.

     

    just caught that...

     

    try forgetting your legacy files (for now) and confirm that Photoshop is displaying the Whacked PDI target correctly when you use its embedded profile (using the Photoshop Color Settings i pointed you to earlier)

     

    PS

     

    you still haven't uploaded one of your problem files (or have you)

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 6:32 PM   in reply to jkpboca74

    or perhaps you are color blind

    One in 12 males in the US are colorblind...

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 7:12 PM   in reply to jkpboca74

    10-12 million Americans (men) have red-green color deficiency. (Photoshop actually can soft-proof for the two main types).

     

    If you are doing photography professionally (wedding) you should advance to Raw.

     

    Also, I wouldn't necessarily recommend a laptop for serious photo editing (in fact... I began to think this all might be laptop related.)

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 11:59 PM   in reply to jkpboca74

    My system is calibrated and displays tagged images properly. Are you sure your spyder has the latest software and is of a recent vintage that can even calibrate an LCD? Do you know what a working space is, and why you should not use a monitor profile as a working space? Are you sure that you are using a calibration profile as your display profile in Windows? Do you know whether your other viewers besides Photoshop manage colors correctly?  Everything you have posted indicates that you are stumbling around in the dark, willing to try anything, but not understanding it. If you can't save a jpeg, what hope do you have of grasping what gator tells you?   You obviously started from a state where you got a result you liked, but when you changed something or an update changed something,  you didn't realize that the beginning state was a fluke. Read up on elementary color management before you make any more exp;eriments. Gator soup has excellent tutorials he can point you to.  You owe it to yourself as a photogvrapher to understand this stuff not just ask for quick fixes from experts , it works if you kinow it. It's hard for even experts to try to figure what you don't know you don't know.

     
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    Jun 20, 2012 2:22 PM   in reply to jkpboca74

    Now you're saying that Windows viewer is off, other viewers are fine, including Photoshop? I think Gator can tell you exactly what is wrong now. Internet Explorer is only partially color managed, Safari 5 is ok, Firefox 10 is if you set it in about:config, not sure about Chrome or the others. Do you have IrfanView and how does it look there.

     
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    Jun 20, 2012 6:42 PM   in reply to jkpboca74

    I don't know if Gator has yet pointed you to this site (his) that is a thorough, real-life and accurate (albeit a tad disjointed at points... )  look at Color Management in Photoshop as it relates to printing, web, monitors and picture viewers. It is not a bad place to start:

    http://www.gballard.net/psd.html

     

    Also Martin Evening has a free pdf chapter from one of his books that is a good walk-through as to the whys and hows of CM:

    http://www.photoshopforphotographers.com/pscs3/download/PSCS3_colmanag e.pdf

    It is based in PsCS3, but most still applies in CS6.

     

    CB

     
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    Jun 20, 2012 7:36 PM   in reply to jkpboca74

    FYI, color management is an option in IrfanView, and I'm not sure whether it's enabled by default.

     

    Jkpboca74, I sense that you'd like to discover the perfect settings to have your color-management problems just go away.  Unfortunately, that's kind of a misnomer. 

     

    Color management is complex, it requires your intelligent decisions based on what you need to get the settings right for you, and it requires understanding of what you're seeing so that you know what to trust.  It DOES ultimately all make sense, but it's practically impossible to learn one forum post at a time - that's been proven time and again.  Tempers flare, people get offended.  I urge you to read the references provided above, seek others out, and strive to get your mind around what's really going on.  I promise you'll make consistently better images for it.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Jun 20, 2012 11:09 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    IE is only partly managed, you have to set management in Firefox, and I believe you have to set it in Chrome. I can't run Irfanview on a Mac, but you will need to check it. You may be kidding yourself, because Photoshop is the gold standard for truth in images. I still believe you don't have or haven't set, a good monitor profile.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 9:56 PM   in reply to jkpboca74

    Ah, roger, jkp, say again all after Photoshop, you are garbled, over.

     

    Photoshop is telling you exactly what you need to know, but you don't speak the language yet.

     
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