Skip navigation
BWScott
BWScott Calculating status...
Currently Being Moderated

Logging movie clips

Jun 30, 2012 11:22 PM

Why can't I make more than one subclip marker set on a clip? How can you make a rough cut when you have 4 shots from a single clip?!

1023 Views   9 Replies   Latest reply: Wes Plate, Jun 21, 2012 4:11 AM
Branched from an earlier discussion.
 
Replies
  • michaelgoshey
    Currently Being Moderated
    1. michaelgoshey,
    Jun 19, 2012 5:37 AM   in reply to BWScott
    Report

    You should be able to create as many subclips as you wish per clip. Simply press the SUBCLIP market button in the Markers Panel for each subclip you wish to make.  You can also use the keyboard shortcut to add subclips, but you will want to make sure the HUD is not currently displayed or the keyboard shortcut you click will simply appear in the edit control on the HUD in the Timeline.

     

    Let me know if you still have questions.

     

    Regards,

    Michael

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • BWScott
    Currently Being Moderated
    2. BWScott,
    Jun 19, 2012 7:46 AM   in reply to michaelgoshey
    Report

    Not sure what the HUD is. This seems to be working now, but before every

    time I hit the keyboard shortcut it moved the subclip marker instead of

    creating a new one.

     

     

     

    I do not understand the use of the Speech Analysis markers. I don't see a

    way to send them to have the analysis done. And if you import them into

    Premier and do it there, it analyses the entire clip. The analysis remains

    pretty poor. I thought by this version it would be better. I have an

    interview clip with very good audio and the analysis is completely unusable.

    Pretty disappointing - I had heard it had been improved

     

     

     

    Brian

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Wes Plate
    Currently Being Moderated
    3. Wes Plate,
    Jun 19, 2012 7:54 AM   in reply to BWScott
    Report

    The HUD (heads up display) is the text entry area that appears above the timeline when you add a marker.

     

    Manually adding speech transcription markers in Prelude doesn't affect the auto analysis done by Premiere Pro/AME. The information you put in the speech markers is shown in the Speech are of Premiere Pro's metadata panel.

     

    You can greatly improve the speech to text by attaching a transcripted text file to use as a guide for the analysis. Then you can click on the text in the Metadata panel to move the playhead to that word.

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • BWScott
    Currently Being Moderated
    4. BWScott,
    Jun 19, 2012 8:06 AM   in reply to Wes Plate
    Report

    So I need to have the interviews transcribed (which always include timecode) and then run the analysis!?! That seems like a lot of extra work for a tiny gain. If the analysis would do the transcription (as it was originaly advertised) then you would have a workflow improvement.

     

    When I add Speech markers I do not see them in Premier at all until I do the analysis. Then they show in the actual transcription. It would be MUCH better to allow the transcription to happen only where the markers are - it would save tons of time. IMO there also needs to be a better way to edit the transcriptions. I realise the words are tied to the markers, but having to change one word at a time makes it worthless to even try.

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Wes Plate
    Currently Being Moderated
    5. Wes Plate,
    Jun 19, 2012 10:10 AM   in reply to BWScott
    Report

    BWScott, See the below screenshot to see what I see. I added a Speech Transcription marker to a clip in Prelude, entered some text into the Name field then saved the clip. I sent the clip to Premiere Pro and it sees the text in the Metadata panel in the Speech Analysis>Analysis Text section.

     

    ST-Marker.jpg

     

    I spoke yesterday with a user who does exactly this with his interviews. He doesn't transcribe or analyze the video, instead he reviews the material in Prelude then for key sentences adds a ST marker with enough of the interviewee's words to make sense. Then he opens that clip in Premiere Pro and when he clicks on the words in the metadata panel the playhead moves to the point the ST marker started.

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • BWScott
    Currently Being Moderated
    6. BWScott,
    Jun 19, 2012 11:04 AM   in reply to Wes Plate
    Report

    OK - I'm not sure what is happening with the app, but things seem to change as I work. Indeed now - although not before - the speech is showing up in the Premier Speech data. If you look at the screen shot below you will see that the speech markers do not show - only in the metadata section. You can't even use the "Go to Next Marker" shortcut to find it. It would also be most helpful if you could use the marker data to set in and out points once you get a clip into Premier. I know you can do this from Prelude, but being able to utilize that info in Premier would be nice. Maybe I missed something, but it seems to be a multi-step process to change that comment marker into in & out points. I do not see the subclip markers in Premier either; I guess the subclips are generated but not the markers? PreludePremierMarkers01.jpg

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Wes Plate
    Currently Being Moderated
    7. Wes Plate,
    Jun 20, 2012 4:24 AM   in reply to BWScott
    Report

    You're right. Prelude subclip markers are converted to Premiere Pro subclips, and Speech Transcription markers are shown in Premiere Pro in the Metadata panel. You can open up the clip in the source monitor, however, then click on the words in the Analysis Text section to move the playhead to the frame where the ST marker was created.

     

    To change the in and outs of a comment marker in Prelude simply as drag the In/Out handles then save the clip.

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • creativeYord
    Currently Being Moderated
    8. creativeYord,
    Jun 20, 2012 9:45 PM   in reply to Wes Plate
    Report

    Now, I'm just trying to understand the workflow... Couldn't you basically just do everything in Premiere Pro then? I mean why having the hassle of constantly moving the clips between two pieces of software?

     

    Btw: can you do something like a live update between the prelude clips and premiere like the after effects <> premiere relationship? I'm asking because I want to replace a subclip with an After Effects composition, but it hands over the whole clip instead of only the subclip.

     

    Tell me if I'm totally misunderstanding the concept here, but I'm kinda lost ;-)

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Wes Plate
    Currently Being Moderated
    9. Wes Plate,
    Jun 21, 2012 4:11 AM   in reply to creativeYord
    Report

    Premiere Pro doesn't have the same ingest capabilities as Prelude, as in you cannot copy clips from a camera card to your local system. Premiere Pro only imports the files directly from their location on the card/disc.

     

    Logging clips and adding markers can also be done quickly and easily in Prelude, the timeline thumbnail view of the source clip is very handy to quickly identify the overall action in a clip and the waveform view can also help you quickly identify where an interviewee answers questions, for example.

     

    After Effects doesn't specifically know about subclips, however I would expect that a subclip in the Premiere Pro timeline should send the proper layer in/outs to After Effects when you select the subclip in the timeline and choose Relplace with After Effects Composition.  If this isn't happening please file a bug for Premiere Pro or After Effects at http://adobe.com/go/wish

     
    |
    Mark as:
Actions

More Like This

  • Retrieving data ...

Bookmarked By (0)