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Missing Marian Driscoll

Jun 21, 2012 11:21 AM

Marian was a regular poster in the Photoshop forum, and I have missed seeing posts by her recently. Marian's good sense and biting wit made her stand out from the crowd and I never failed to read any of her comments.  I just discovered that Marian's profile (http://forums.adobe.com/people/Marian%20Driscoll?view=profile) has been disabled and there is a link to a page announcing she was a victim of a drunk driver.

 

I just wanted to express my sorrow at this loss of life, assuming that the information is true.  

 
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Jun 21, 2012 11:35 AM   in reply to acresofgreen

    Wow, that's a shock!  I'm so sorry to hear that.

     

    Marian was one of the "good guys/gals" of Photoshop.

     

    Marian, assuming you're reading this on a read-only portal in the afterlife, you'll be missed!

     

    -Noel

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 11:45 AM   in reply to acresofgreen

    Requiescat in pace.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 1:21 PM   in reply to acresofgreen

    I often found many of Marian views off base and annoying.  Hearing she was a victim of a drunk driver however is more annoying it pissed me off and made me sad for her friends and family. I hope if the drunk driver is still with us that this senseless death eats on them the rest of their life.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 1:31 PM   in reply to JJMack

    The name "Marian Driscoll" was an alias used here by a member who used to post under another name so whether this tragic accident really happened or is simply a way to "kill" an unwanted Alias is a little open to question.

     

    There is no indication either on the posted link or in the member's profile as to who posted the information.

     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Jun 21, 2012 1:35 PM   in reply to acresofgreen

    Marian's profile has been disabled due to repeated abuse.

     

    I guess that it is a bad joke she played to say goodbye to her profile.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 1:41 PM   in reply to Pierre Courtejoie

    Well, if she/he is reading this (and if alive, there is no doubt she/he would be), I hope she/he will consider signing up to online sites under her/his own name from here forward and posting only things she/he would be proud to say to others in person.

     

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    Jun 21, 2012 2:27 PM   in reply to acresofgreen

    @acresofgreen, the person you knew as Marian Driscoll is still posting on the forums under the fictitious name "Don Quinn" (http://forums.adobe.com/people/Don%20Quinn).

     

    And gosh, I wonder who could be behind "Marion Driscall," a new profile created just today: http://forums.adobe.com/people/Marion%20Driscall .

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 2:40 PM   in reply to Terri Stone

    Is and always was, Jim Oblak.

    Welcome back, Ann!

    Now if Peter Figen would return, all would be well.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 2:46 PM   in reply to acresofgreen

    No worries, acresofgreen. And I agree, the background is interesting.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 2:57 PM   in reply to Pierre Courtejoie

    PECourtejoie's answer is not quite correct but I see he has no problem marking his own posts that way. Marian's account was disabled because of a forum malfunction (either based in software or human mismanagement).

     

    On June 6, I (fka Marian) received an automated email from the forum that said "You have received this email because the content you posted below has been rejected by our moderators". The rejected post was this one. Am I the only one to think it odd that this "rejected" post is still there? A few hours later, I received another email to say that "Your account has been permanently suspended".

     

    If my post was truly abusive, I would appreciate that the moderators would remove it.

     

    I have several Adobe accounts for my own personal software registrations and for software registrations with my employers. Using one of these alternate accounts, I sent a private message to both "adobe-admin" and to "John Cornicello" to point out the problem. The "abusive" post has still not been removed nor has "Marian"'s account been restored. And the active account that I used to PM John (which clearly associated me with this "abusive" Marian) has not been disabled. Surely some action should have come from that PM. 

     

    The way that Marian's account was terminated seems to be as senseless as a drunk driving death.  But it is no big deal. I don't post on these forums to be Marian. I post to help others. I can still do that.

     

    The use of an alias is not to avoid personal responsibility to behave. Adobe always knows the real name behind the screenname and if any of you need to know me better, just send a PM.

     

    Lundberg02 wrote:

     

    ...Welcome back, Ann!...

    Wasn't Ann banned?

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 2:57 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

    TerriStoneCHL wrote:
    still posting on the forums under the fictitious name "Don Quinn"
    "Marion Driscall," a new profile created just today

    Lundberg02 wrote:

     

    Is and always was, Jim Oblak.

     

    Ugh.  Is something so terribly wrong with just using one's own real name here?

     

    Okay, boilover time...

     

    "Hiding" behind an alias so as to be able to throw nasty remarks without repercussion just seems, I don't know, cowardly?  Sneaky?  A cop-out?

     

    Adobe should consider requiring people to use their real names to participate here.

     

    If your users seeking help aren't willing to do that, then maybe they didn't want help very badly did they.  Hey, if they call your telephone support folks, they have to give identifying info, right?

     

    Using aliases seems to just make people feel bold about being abusive.  It has been my long experience that forums on which use of one's real name is enforced carry a generally higher level of discourse.

     

    Some people may claim to want to try to somehow protect themselves by being "anonymous", but it's a false security. If people want "protection" from the internet they should just stay the hell offline!

     

    -Noel

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:01 PM   in reply to Marion Driscall

    There was no forum malfunction, and the "Marian Driscoll" account was indeed banned because of what many Adobe employees saw as violations of a few community guidelines, including abuse of other forum participants.

     

    However, it wasn't an easy decision because we see great value in your knowledge, Jim. We're glad you're continuing to contribute in your other guises.

     

    For anyone who has questions about forum guidelines and etiquette, please see the following:

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/414764

    http://www.adobe.com/communities/guidelines/

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:07 PM   in reply to Terri Stone

    Terri, that would be remotely believable if you or someone capable of management would actually remove a "rejected" post.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:12 PM   in reply to Terri Stone

    There was no forum malfunction

     

     

    forum malfunction (heh, heh)

     

    i would love to be able to use my 'real name' again but when the forum switched over it became unavailable — i tried dozens of variations over months but it wouldn't take anything with even my initials so i ended up with gs -- go figure

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:14 PM   in reply to acresofgreen

    It's actually a really interesting thread, and has a few home truths. When a forum moderator says Marion was guilty of repeated abuse, you have to take him seriously, but I can't say as I noticed anything more than the occasional GOL (Glib One Liner). I had a PM from an incremental poster (that's a clue) who says they have made 20,000 posts here, but spread across several user-names as each one gets banned. What the heck!? 

     

    The thing is, some posters are so relentlessly clueless that it takes the patience of a saint to stay with them, and there is a very low tolerance for a facetious response on this site.  Although it has to be said, it depends who you are — Jeff Schewe quite often tears into a clueless poster, but he is Jeff Schewe!

     

    Chris Cox deleted a cheeky post I made last week.  I doubt anyone saw it because it could only have been up for five minutes, but it had a little picture story, and it made me laugh while I was putting it together.  But the joke was certainly at the OP’s expense, and while the OP was desperately hanging on to a ridiculous point of view, we are not allowed to do stuff like that on this forum.  So I PM’d Chris and apologised.

     

    I am relatively new here compared to a lot of you guys, but I have seen the dynamic of the forum change, and it is nowhere as interesting as it used to be.  Too many system crashes, and not enough how to use Photoshop posts.  Oh well.  No one is forced to stay here.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:16 PM   in reply to gator soup

    That is precisely why I used "Marian" when we switched to Jive. Many people were required by Adobe to take on new identities.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:17 PM   in reply to Trevor Dennis

    some posters are so relentlessly clueless that it takes the patience of a saint to stay with them,

     

    That's true enough!

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:21 PM   in reply to Terri Stone

    Terri, you ban an individual's persona for bad behavior, then you praise him for his positive participation in another persona in almost the same breath?!?!  Good lord, I can't even begin to think how many levels on which that's wrong.

     

    If this Jim Oblak character can't be nice enough to be allowed to participate in one guise, why is there any expectation that he will/can contribute positively in any guise?  How can you knowingly let him back in here using any account?  That's just ridiculous.

     

    Ignoring Witness Protection, when a person commits a crime, do they get to start over with a fresh new identity and the blessing of the court?

     

    I'm sorry, Jim/Marian, but it seems to me you've dug your own hole here.  What kind of a twisted person are you?  To think I mourned your loss and praised you above for the positive things I've seen you contribute.  You should be ashamed for deceiving those around you.  I know I feel wronged.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:25 PM   in reply to Terri Stone

    Terri, you are still posting here but my "rejected" post remains online. What is your role here? Are you going to yank what was "rejected" or are you still holding to the silly idea that there is no malfunction?

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:28 PM   in reply to Trevor Dennis

    Trevor,

     

    Too many system crashes, and not enough how to use Photoshop posts.

     

    This has been an on-going complaint from several, and for some time. Add in various installation issues, and the rants on pricing/upgrading, and similar, and it is just not as much fun, as it once was. It has gotten to the point, that I almost look forward to the "How do I put my head on someone else's body?" post.

     

    I usually found it great fun, when a poster posed a "How do I do this?" question, and would often explore how I would do it, then give my steps. Invariably, someone else would post their methods, and I'd slap my forehead, as I had never thought of THAT. I learned a lot from others' replies. Yeah, great fun, and educational too.

     

    Sorry to go OT for the thread, but wanted to add a +1 for me too.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:37 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel,

     

    The use of one's real name has been an active point of discussion in the Premiere Pro Forum for some time. Many feel, just as you do.

     

    One drawback is that so many more common names have already been taken. Heck, when my Adobe Account got fritzed, I lost "Bill Hunt" (actually, as it had been around from the earliest days, it was "BILL HUNT"), and did not get that back, until an Adobe rep. helped me kill one account, and start another.

     

    I find it much easier to address a poster, if their name is shown, rather than "zzzxy1234567." Still, many names ARE taken, and some folk just want some form of anonymity.

     

    I hear you, but not sure what one can do?

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:45 PM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    Here's an idea:  Firstname Lastname Number

     

    A few weeks ago I took a hiatus because the forum and Adobe in general began to frustrate me more than help me.  With Adobe banning someone and praising them in the same breath, I'm distinctly getting that feeling again now.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 6:00 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Actually, in the time when my name was not available, I went with initials: WAH3, as I am a III. Glad when my name came back to me!

     

    I am not going to touch the rest, as I am not qualified - above my pay grade.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 6:07 PM   in reply to acresofgreen

    Though it is close to becoming fodder for The Lounge, I will comment anyway.

     

    I agree 100% with you. Because my Internet presence was fairly limited - just a couple of forums, similar to Adobe's, and one highly-respected food and wine forum, I did not hesitate to list a bit more info, than I would have elsewhere. Well, after two stalkers, I trimmed my Profile, even in those respected forums.

     

    That is why I have zero inclination to participate in any social networking site. Other than posting some links to videos on a charity event Web site, for a Live Auction Lot, that I had put together, I have zero presence.

     

    Now, my poor wife has to have a presence on most popular social networking sites, and I constantly warn her to be very, very careful.

     

    Good points, and glad that there were no videos from my Senior Prom, to be posted to YouTube - there aren't RIGHT?

     

    Hunt - just to keep the MOD's at bay, here are some keywords: Photoshop, Layers, Masking, Paths...

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 6:09 PM   in reply to acresofgreen

    I think that I had only one Internet interaction with Marian, and while a bit acerbic, the points were well made. Now, I would have commented in a different tone, that is just me. I think that I contributed to maybe 300 threads, where Marian participated, and while I would not have wanted him/her as my Press Secretary, the comments were usually very good and helpful, though sometimes, the delivery might have caused some to overlook the actual input.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 9:40 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel Carboni wrote:

     

    TerriStoneCHL wrote:
    still posting on the forums under the fictitious name "Don Quinn"
    "Marion Driscall," a new profile created just today

    Lundberg02 wrote:

     

    Is and always was, Jim Oblak.

     

    Ugh.  Is something so terribly wrong with just using one's own real name here?

     

    Okay, boilover time...

     

    "Hiding" behind an alias so as to be able to throw nasty remarks without repercussion just seems, I don't know, cowardly?  Sneaky?  A cop-out?

     

    Adobe should consider requiring people to use their real names to participate here.

     

    If your users seeking help aren't willing to do that, then maybe they didn't want help very badly did they.  Hey, if they call your telephone support folks, they have to give identifying info, right?

     

    Using aliases seems to just make people feel bold about being abusive.  It has been my long experience that forums on which use of one's real name is enforced carry a generally higher level of discourse.

     

    Some people may claim to want to try to somehow protect themselves by being "anonymous", but it's a false security. If people want "protection" from the internet they should just stay the hell offline!

     

    -Noel

    I don't know about that Noel. Some of us use screen names to avoid spammers and the like. Though if anyone needs to know my true name, pm me.

     

    But anybody have muliple aliases is a bit too much. Especially for the same web site.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 9:45 PM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    This is weird. I had thought that the Marian persona was actually getting less contentious and much more helpful than years ago in his others. Irking was one of my minors in school, so I tend to be tolerant of others who  are  00 grit, like Ramon, bless the piece of gristle he calls his heart.  No, tetrachroic Ann quit to inhabit the Nikon forum by preference , she is opinionated but always a lady. I am really glad she is back, she knows her stuff.

    I am a technical person with a long long background in systems engineering, the real systems engineering, not computer architecture. I tend to be a generalist and leave the fine details to specialists, so I can sympathsize with the new or not so new who have hacked something that works and can't understand what the heck happened when it  doesn't, but that doesn't excuse not listening, or not reading up, or at the very least using Google for a clue.

    As a generalist, I chaired many failure review boards, and used my modest talents to resolve issues that the specialists had found their pieces, but could not assemble them, by taking another look and using Occam's Razor.

    Software has reached a level of complexity nowadays that some problems are essentially random and only get solved by accident, and there are a few ancient threads in this forum that demonstrate that.  A lot of threads here are really not Photoshop. I'd say that I ignore 90% of the posts.  I applaud the courage, and respect the naivete of newbies willing to use a learning curve app like PS, but I really wish some of them would at least try to use the vast resources available on the web before posting. I do it every f****** day, why can't they?

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 12:22 AM   in reply to Marion Driscall

    I just tried the link and the post is shown as deleted (no, I don't know when or by whom).

    Marion Driscall wrote:

     

    Terri, you are still posting here but my "rejected" post remains online.

     

    To clarify a general point in this conversation - your name and email address are tied to your Adobe ID, which we have no control over. While we can see the email address and IP address used by a forum member, even the forums admin account can't change anything about their Adobe ID nor is there any system to 'police' the data you use to sign up. Because Adobe IDs are core to the operation of things like Creative Cloud there cannot be any rules applied  which would delay or prevent customers from making purchases and activating their software, and other social networks have clearly demonstrated that throwing out a "you must use real names" rule is completely impossible to enforce. Do you want to have to fax Adobe a copy of your passport before being allowed to ask where the trial of Photoshop is?

     

    I have no problem with people using an alias as their forum username, either because their real name is already taken or because they simply don't want it to appear on Google. Indeed, many people are better-known by an alias as they use it on other sites. Registering multiple accounts to avoid a ban is another issue, but if someone's on a dynamic IP and uses different email addresses to register it's pretty much impossible for us to tell who they are, until something in one of their posts gives it away.

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 3:17 AM   in reply to Marion Driscall

    "PECourtejoie's answer is not quite correct but I see he has no problem marking his own posts that way."

     

    I gave a frank answer with the info I have on hand to try to appease the unnecessary sorrow/grief that your prank had created.

     

    EDIT: BTW, I did lose my best friend in a car accident caused by a drunk driver, six years ago, and I still miss her. Please think twice about making such "jokes", I'm sure I'm not the only one.

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 5:20 AM   in reply to Pierre Courtejoie

    You are not the only one.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 8:40 AM   in reply to acresofgreen

    Jim's (aka Marian) posts are no different than Chris Cox or Jeff Shewe's. They are to the point. That seems to bother some people.

     

    Another sadly missed participant was Buko. A great loss to this community because some Adobe admin got a stick up their backside.

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 9:08 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Yeah, first shock then sadness - then curiosity. Which led me to some searching and then some suspicion.

     

    Her/his/whatever's posts were by and large informative, if not vinegary. I could deal with that. But to be duped by some twisted ploy for sympathy is just plain sick. You've lost my respect...

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 9:53 AM   in reply to acresofgreen

    Live and learn I suppose. But it's kinda like Anthony Wiener's "My Twitter account was hacked" shpeel...

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 10:08 AM   in reply to TLL...

    "My Twitter account was hacked"

     

    Yes, that actually fooled many news outlets, for a period of time.

     

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