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Refresh underlying image of smart object

Jun 20, 2012 11:36 PM

Tags: #smart_object #lightroom_webmodule

Hello,

 

I made some basic adjustments in Lightroom and then opened the image as a smart object in Photoshop.

If I decide to make more changes in Lightroom how do I tell Photoshop to 'refresh' the underlying image?

 

Thanks,

Will

1075 Views   11 Replies   Latest reply: JJMack, Jun 22, 2012 7:28 AM
 
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  • Chris Cox
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    1. Chris Cox,
    Jun 20, 2012 11:40 PM   in reply to wjl11
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    Replace contents, or edit it from Photoshop and not lightroom (it should open in ACR).

     
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  • Kendall Plant
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    Jun 21, 2012 8:56 AM   in reply to wjl11
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    After doing some research, it looks like linking images between Photoshop and Lightroom is mostly one way. Right clicking on a photo in Lightroom allows you to select Edit In > Photoshop. This action gives you a "live" update of your image in Lightroom as you edit the photo in Photoshop (after saving in Photoshop). See this article for reference.

     

    But like Chris said, if you want to work in the opposite direction, you'll have to replace the photo layer in Photoshop if you make changes to the image in Lightroom.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 9:38 AM   in reply to Kendall Plant
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    Since the underlying file is a dng, when I 'replace contents' in photoshop, ACR pops up.

     

    I never used ACR to adjust the file, I used Lightroom.

    Do I just assume that the ACR settings are what I applied to the file in Lightroom?

     
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  • JJMack
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    Jun 21, 2012 9:40 AM   in reply to Kendall Plant
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    Smart Object layers embedded object are copies not links they are independent from what they were created with.   If you open a RAW file in Photoshop As a smart object layer that layer contains a copy of the RAW File and Associated Conversion Settings.  As Chris wrote you can update an embedded object two way replace the object with and copy of the new conversion or editing the enbedded smart object and make the same changes you made to the original after you created the smart object layer.

     
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    Jun 21, 2012 10:17 AM   in reply to JJMack
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    I don't use LR however if you can open something like a developed image from LR into Photoshop as a smart object the smart object will a copy independent from that point on from what is was created with.  If you change the smart object layer what it was created with will not change either. There isn't a singular entity... Your dealing with copies...... however a single smart object can be used in more then a single layer in a document. You can dupe a smart object layer two ways.  One new smart object via copy creats a new independent smart object layer,  where Dupe Layer just create a new smart object layer thhat shares a common smart object but has its own associated transform. There is a transform associated with smart object layers it may simply be 100% no resize or position change.  With a sharded smart object it is easy to make a picture package themplate. Each time you replace the shared object you save or print a picture package.

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 2:32 AM   in reply to Chris Cox
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    The underlying image is a dng.

     

    When I 'replace contents' in PS it opens the file in ACR with adjustments that do not match the adjustments I made in Lightroom.

    It does not even have the correct ACR process (the exclamation point indicates it has an older process).

     

    So, in effect, PS is not recognizing any changes LR made to the dng file.

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 5:42 AM   in reply to wjl11
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    Have you ensured that the adjustments made with Lr are actually being stored in the DNG file which is being read (via ACR) into Ps?

     

    The default for Lr is to store adjustments in its catalog, not the actual DNG. That can be changed in Lr Catalog Settings. Alternatively, export the adjusted version to a file for Ps to import.

     
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  • Noel Carboni
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    Jun 22, 2012 5:45 AM   in reply to wjl11
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    wjl11 wrote:

     

    It does not even have the correct ACR process (the exclamation point indicates it has an older process).

     

    Do you have Photoshop CS5 and LR4 by chance?  You'll need Ps CS6 for full integration - CS5 does not expose the PV2012 controls.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 7:04 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni
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    yes, that is the combo I have.

     

    So, it looks like I need to upgrade to CS6 _and_ change my LR settings to store adjustments in the dng file and I should be all set.

     
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    Jun 22, 2012 12:11 PM   in reply to wjl11
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    I should have said that an alternative to changing the Catalog Settings is to press Cmd (Ctrl on Win) S to manually save adjustments in the current file.

     

    Also, you may find Ps CS5 to be adequate when using ACR purely as an import plug-in - just ignore the "Convert to Process 2010" button and click "OK". If your images look correct then you've avoided the cost of an upgrade to CS6.

     
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  • JJMack
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    Jun 22, 2012 7:28 AM   in reply to wjl11
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    wjl11 wrote:

     

    Since the underlying file is a dng, when I 'replace contents' in photoshop, ACR pops up.

     

    I never used ACR to adjust the file, I used Lightroom.

    Do I just assume that the ACR settings are what I applied to the file in Lightroom?

    LR and ACR store settings for the Adobe Conversion Engine in vasious places File MetaData, Sidecar files and ACR database to name some. If an embedded smart object is a RAW file the smart object has it set of Raw conversion setting.  You can in Photoshop use menu Layers>Smart Objects>New Smart Object via Copy to create a independent new smart object layer. Once this is done in Photoshop if you double click on the copied layer leyer's smart object icon in the layers palette ACR will open on the new copy with its copied RAW Conversion settings. You can  change the setting an have ACR update the copy's RAW settings.  You will not have two different RAW conversions in Photoshop on layers you can blend together to bring out more detail. With Smart Objects you dealing with copies...

     
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