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Using sidecar.xml to load results in the articles being loaded twice

Jun 19, 2011 4:08 AM

As a follow on from my previous question "What determines the loading order or Multiple Articles" http://forums.adobe.com/thread/866779?tstart=0 I thought I'd try importing using sidecar.xml as per this help article http://help.adobe.com/en_US/digitalpubsuite/using/WS67cb9e293e2f1f6014 465f4712f61e55c01-7fff.html#WS9293e1fb3b977c5c-3a30084513028f6630b-800 0

The folder - file structure is the same with the inclusion of the sidecar.xml in the root.

Cover - cover_v.indd

Page1 - page1_v.indd

Page2 - page2_v.indd

Page3 - page3_v.indd

Page4 - page4_v.indd

Page5 - page5_v.indd

Page6 - page6_v.indd

Page7 - page7_v.indd

sidecar.xml

Without changing the name of any of the folders or files within them I created an .xml file based on this help article http://help.adobe.com/en_US/digitalpubsuite/using/WS67cb9e293e2f1f6060 6c7754128c7a9c00e-7fff.html#WS67cb9e293e2f1f60-60a064012f65fafa88-8000

When I follow the instructions and use the import multiple articles and point to the root it load the files in the right order until it gets to the last article in the sidecar.xml and then it loads them all again but in the jumbled order from my "Multiple Articles" post. So I end up with 14 articles the first 7 in the right order the last screwed up.

Does anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Here's part of the xml file, the entry info for page1 is just replicated and the names changed.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>

<entry>

<folderName>Cover</folderName>

<articleTitle>Cover</articleTitle>

<byline>byline</byline>

<author>author</author>

<kicker>kicker</kicker>

<description>description</description>

<isAd>false</isAd>

<smoothScrolling>never</smoothScrolling>

<isFlattenedStack>false</isFlattenedStack>

</entry>

<entry>

<articleTitle>title</articleTitle>

<byline>byline</byline>

<author>author</author>

<kicker>kicker</kicker>

<description>description</description>

<isAd>false</isAd>

<smoothScrolling>never</smoothScrolling>

<isFlattenedStack>false</isFlattenedStack>

</entry>

</sidecar>

thanks,

Tony

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1. Johannes Eckert,

Jun 19, 2011 6:40 AM in reply to Tony Redhead

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that solution is easy: Put the sidecar.xml in an separate directory for ONLY the sidecar.xml file.
And Import THAT folder.

(In your case the folio builder acted as expected, importing all the indesign files again)

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2. Bob Levine,

Jun 19, 2011 6:53 AM in reply to Johannes Eckert

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Interesting. I did this myself with a test a while back and didn't have that happen.

Everything came in correctly with the sidecar in the root folder.

Bob

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3. Tony Redhead,

Jun 19, 2011 7:07 AM in reply to Johannes Eckert

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Hi Johannes,

Thanks for that, I put the sidecar.xml into a separate directory went to the Folio where the Articles are ordered;

TechZone
     sidecar - sidecar.xml
     TechzoneFolio
          Cover - cover_v.indd
          Page1 - page1_v.indd
          Page2 - page2_v.indd
          Page3 - page3_v.indd
          Page4 - page4_v.indd
          Page5 - page5_v.indd
          Page6 - page6_v.indd
          Page7 - page7_v.indd

Went to the Folio where the pages have been loaded incorrectly and imported the sidecar.xml but nothing happened. However if I build a Folio and each Article is in the right order then when I import the sidecar.xml it will update the files by changing titles etc.

If I want to change the Folio where the pages have been incorrectly loaded do I need to put a path into the sidecar.xml ie <folderName>../TechzoneFolio/Page7</folderName>

Also not sure how to set it up so that I can import all of the Articles using the sidecar.xml?

Tony

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4. Bob Levine,

Jun 19, 2011 7:10 AM in reply to Tony Redhead

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Try this, Tony.

Create a new folio and then import all of the articles WITHOUT the sidecar. Then put the sidecar into a new folder and import that folder as an article.

Bob

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5. Tony Redhead,

Jun 19, 2011 7:20 AM in reply to Bob Levine

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Hi Bob,

I just tried it again.

1. Created a new folder
2. Set up the files;

TestLoad

     Cover - cover_v.indd
     Page1 - page1_v.indd
     Page2 - page2_v.indd
     Page3 - page3_v.indd
     Page4 - page4_v.indd
     Page5 - page5_v.indd
     Page6 - page6_v.indd
     Page7 - page7_v.indd
     sidecar.xml

It loaded them in the correct order but this time when it got to Article Page7 it started all over again.

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6. Tony Redhead,

Jun 19, 2011 7:25 AM in reply to Bob Levine

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Hi Bob,

Okay I created a folder as below;

     Cover - cover_v.indd
     Page1 - page1_v.indd
     Page2 - page2_v.indd
     Page3 - page3_v.indd
     Page4 - page4_v.indd
     Page5 - page5_v.indd
     Page6 - page6_v.indd
     Page7 - page7_v.indd
     Sidecar - sidecar.xml

Opened the Folio with the misordered Articles but got this error;

Tony

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7. Bob Levine,

Jun 19, 2011 7:47 AM in reply to Tony Redhead

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Don't include the sidecar folder in the folio folder.

Do the folio first. Create a new folder OUTSIDE the folio folder and put the sidecar file in it. After the folio has been imported, add the folder with the sidecar.

Bob

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8. Tony Redhead,

Jun 19, 2011 7:57 AM in reply to Bob Levine

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Bob,

That's what I did.
1. I created a Folio called TestLoad 2
2. I have a directory with the contents;
     Cover - cover_v.indd
     Page1 - page1_v.indd
     Page2 - page2_v.indd
     Page3 - page3_v.indd
     Page4 - page4_v.indd
     Page5 - page5_v.indd
     Page6 - page6_v.indd
     Page7 - page7_v.indd
3. In TestLoad 2 folio I selected "Import Multiple Articles"
4. They loaded in this order;
     Page2
     Page3
     Page4
     Page5
     Page6
     Page7
     Cover
     Page1
5. I moved the folder containing the sidecar.xml into the folio folder
6. In TestLoad 2 folio I selected "import a Single Article" and got the error shown above.

Is there another way to import the folder with the sidecar? If I do import multiple it loads all of them twice again.

Tony

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9. Bob Levine,

Jun 19, 2011 8:01 AM in reply to Tony Redhead

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DO NOT put the sidecar folder into the same folder with the folio. Try it again.

Bob

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10. Tony Redhead,

Jun 19, 2011 8:08 AM in reply to Bob Levine

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Hi,

If I put the sidecar folder with sidecar.xml outside the Folio and import it nothing happens.

Tony

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11. Tony Redhead,

Jun 19, 2011 8:10 AM in reply to Tony Redhead

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I'll make a video to show you.

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12. Bob Bringhurst,

Jun 19, 2011 8:21 AM in reply to Tony Redhead

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When you're first importing a set of articles in a folio, the sidecar.XML file goes on the same level as the article folders in the folio folder. But when you're using the sidecar.xml file to update properties, the sidecar.xml file needs to be in its own folder, and you need to import it using the Multiple option, not the Single option. Point to the folder containing the sidecar file.

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13. Tony Redhead,

Jun 19, 2011 8:32 AM in reply to Tony Redhead

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So you can see nothing happens, there is no re-ordering or updating of titles etc.

By the time I get this figured out Adode will have rebuilt the Folio Builder and you will be able to re-order at will :-)

Message was edited by: Tony Redhead

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14. Bob Levine,

Jun 19, 2011 8:54 AM in reply to Bob Bringhurst

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Forgot about choosing multiple files for the sidecar folder.

Bob

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15. Tony Redhead,

Jun 19, 2011 9:00 AM in reply to Bob Levine

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Bob, I have no idea how to get this to work!

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16. Bob Levine,

Jun 19, 2011 9:06 AM in reply to Tony Redhead

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I have no idea why it's not working at all. Very strange indeed.

My only other idea is to try trashing your InDesign preferences.

Bob

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17. Tony Redhead,

Jun 19, 2011 9:08 AM in reply to Bob Levine

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Bob,

I have no idea how to get this to work and I've spent hours trying various combinations. The only thing I can get from the sidecar.xml file is the ability to update titles on a Folio where the order and name of Articles matches those in the XML file.

At least I can get it to load the Articles in the correct order, all I have to do then is delete the duplicate Articles. Once I've done that updating the sidecar.xml file changes elements of the existing Articles.

Any clue on the other post re the order in which they are loaded?

thanks for your help,

Tony

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18. carlosgarro,

Jun 20, 2012 2:37 PM in reply to Tony Redhead

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Same problem here, try to update the articles via "sidecar" and nothing.
I erase all the prefs files but no success

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19. Bob Bringhurst,

Jun 20, 2012 2:43 PM in reply to carlosgarro

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Did you put the sidecar.xml file in its own folder? Did you select the Multiple Files option when importing?

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20. carlosgarro,

Jun 20, 2012 3:43 PM in reply to Bob Bringhurst

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Yes Bob I follow the instructions but nothing.
I try with different new folios (for testing purposes only) but still not working. Any idea?

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21. carlosgarro,

Jun 21, 2012 9:53 AM in reply to Bob Bringhurst

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I discover the problem: "if you use PDF as your default format the sidecar.xml do not work"
Is this bug reported?
Thanks

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22. John J Metzger,

Jun 21, 2012 10:14 AM in reply to carlosgarro

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No. It's new. Let me get our QE staff looking at it.

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23. John J Metzger,

Jun 21, 2012 10:16 AM in reply to John J Metzger

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can you post your actual sidecar.xml file here please?

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24. carlosgarro,

Jun 21, 2012 10:17 AM in reply to John J Metzger

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Thanks John

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25. carlosgarro,

Jun 21, 2012 10:25 AM in reply to John J Metzger

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Here's the sidecar:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>
<sidecar>
          <entry>
       <folderName>primera</folderName>
       <articleTitle>Portada Carlos</articleTitle>
       <byline>Carlos Garro</byline>
       <author>Leo</author>
       <kicker>Seccion Portada</kicker>
       <description>Este es la Portada</description>
       <tags>indice dps</tags>
       <isAd>false</isAd>
       <smoothScrolling>never</smoothScrolling>
       <isFlattenedStack>false</isFlattenedStack>
    </entry>
    <entry>
       <folderName>segunda</folderName>
       <articleTitle>Prólogo</articleTitle>
       <byline>Carlos Garro</byline>
       <author>Leo</author>
       <kicker>Seccion Dos</kicker>
       <description>Este es la Dos</description>
       <tags>indice dps</tags>
       <isAd>false</isAd>
       <smoothScrolling>never</smoothScrolling>
       <isFlattenedStack>false</isFlattenedStack>
    </entry>
</sidecar>

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26. Bob Bringhurst,

Jun 21, 2012 10:59 AM in reply to carlosgarro

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When you updated the article metadata, did you target the folio folder with the article subfolders, or did you target a folder that has only the sidecar.xml file?

>>>>

Use sidecar.xml for updating article properties
If you want to use the sidecar.xml file to update your article metadata or change the order of articles, you can use the Folio Builder panel to import the sidecar.xml file.
Create or edit the sidecar.xml file for your folio. See Create a metadata sidecar file for importing articles.
Copy or move the sidecar.xml file to its own folder.
In the Folio Builder panel, open the folio you want to edit, and choose Import from the panel menu.
Select Import Multiple Articles, specify the folder in which the sidecar.xml file is located, and click OK.

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27. carlosgarro,

Jun 21, 2012 11:07 AM in reply to Bob Bringhurst

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I target the folder that has only the sidecar.xml file.
But when the default format is PDF do not work.

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28. jamesroche,

Jun 21, 2012 11:24 AM in reply to Tony Redhead

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Can you set the video to Public? Thanks.

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29. John J Metzger,

Jun 21, 2012 1:50 PM in reply to carlosgarro

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Carlos...what version of InDesign are you using, what platform and OS and if Cs5 or CS5.5 what version of the DPS authoring tools?

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30. carlosgarro,

Jun 21, 2012 2:40 PM in reply to John J Metzger

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Hi John:

I'm trying on two platforms
1- ID CS5.5 > Tools v.19 > on MacOSX Lion
2- ID CS6 > Latest Tools > on MacOSX Lion

Thanks

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31. John J Metzger,

Jun 21, 2012 3:21 PM in reply to carlosgarro

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We've been unable to duplicate the problem here. Can you zip up your directory structure, includingsidecar.xml and put it on dropbox or somewhere and send me an invite at jmetzger at adobe dot com?

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32. carlosgarro,

Jun 22, 2012 7:22 AM in reply to John J Metzger

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Let me prepare the files this weekend.
Thanks in advance ;D

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33. Diego Souza Mello,

Jun 29, 2012 12:31 PM in reply to Bob Bringhurst

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Can I use the sidecar.xml to add new articles to my folio?

If so, where should I put sidecar.xml, on the root folder of the publication or on it's own folder?

Diego

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34. Bob Levine,

Jun 29, 2012 12:35 PM in reply to Diego Souza Mello

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Put it in its own folder and use the import multiple articles command.

Bob

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