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Build is finally done--hard drive left

Jun 24, 2012 11:16 AM

Tags: #adobe #hardware #after #premiere_pro #premiere #rendering #cs6

I will be using Adobe Premiere CS6 and AE CS6 with Resolve 9 later

my cameras are the GH2 (soon GH3) and soon the blackmagic cinema

 

my current build is

Corsair 650d

i7 3930k will oc to 4.2 GHz

Corsair H100 with cougar vortex fans

Gigabyte X79 UD5

64gb of DDR3 at 1333

Geforce 560ti---thinking about upgrading this to 670

 

and these are my current disks,

Crucial M4 256gb

3x WD Caviar Black

2x Seagate 3TB hdds (all 7200)

 

im thinking i should use the m4 as the boot/program drive

set the caviar black in raid 5 via software

and use raid 1 for the seagate?

 

I could add one more caviar black and do raid 5 or 0 on those 4 and

could add 1-2 more 3tb for either raid 5 or 1

 

what would you guys recommend?

thank you very much

905 Views   16 Replies   Latest reply: Jim Simon, Jun 25, 2012 4:57 PM
 
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  • RjL190365
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    1. RjL190365,
    Jun 24, 2012 12:08 PM   in reply to notex235
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    Do not use your WD Blacks in any parity RAID. This is because they have TLER permanently disabled. Also, do not use software RAID for RAID 5: The performance of a software RAID 5 is extremely slow - in fact, often slower than even a single disk! This is not because of the low sequential transfer speeds, but because of the extremely high latency in the software controller and also because the software RAID does not utilize the CPU in an efficient manner.

     

    And mismatched disks should not be RAIDed together. This will limit your choices for the disk setup.

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 12:20 PM   in reply to RjL190365
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    ah i see, then i should get a a dedicated controller it seems but is there one around $100?

    if no then is there a set up that you recommend?

     

    the disks will be caviar blacks and all matching 3tb hdds

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 12:27 PM   in reply to notex235
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    Again, the Caviar Blacks should not be used in any RAID besides RAID 0 or RAID 1. And again, there are absolutely no worthwhile RAID controllers that cost anywhere close to $100. All of those cheap RAID controllers are also software-based, and (combined with the additional overhead of an add-in card) are actually slower than onboard. You will need to spend much more money (say, $500 or more) for a good hardware RAID controller.

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 12:30 PM   in reply to RjL190365
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    then it seems like putting them in singles are the best option for now?

     

    or would you think that raid 0 for the 3tb are worthwile?

     
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    5. Harm Millaard,
    Jun 24, 2012 12:40 PM   in reply to notex235
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    then it seems like putting them in singles are the best option for now?

    Yes.

     

    or would you think that raid 0 for the 3tb are worthwile?

    No, unless you have a good backup plan.

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 12:47 PM   in reply to Harm Millaard
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    i have a raid 1 external i was going to use as backup

     

    but i might just use the drives by themselves

    thank you both!

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 1:44 PM   in reply to RjL190365
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    Do not use your WD Blacks in any parity RAID. This is because they have TLER permanently disabled.

     

    You sure it's permanent?

     

    "The WDTLER utility allows for the enabling or disabling of the TLER parameter in the hard disk's firmware settings allowing the user to determine the best setting for his particular usage"

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 1:55 PM   in reply to Jim Simon
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    well im wondering if i should replace my caviar black for something that will do raid 0 and then back them up with the 3tb instead

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 2:08 PM   in reply to Jim Simon
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    It's permanent on the newer drives (made after September 2009). WD no longer offers or supports WDTLER. And WDTLER does not work at all on the newer firmware of the WD Blacks (the program runs, but the TLER function is grayed out and non-selectable, and locked to Disabled).

     
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  • Harm Millaard
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    Jun 24, 2012 2:10 PM   in reply to notex235
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    For raid0 they work OK, it is on parity raids (3, 5, 6) that they give huge problems.

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 2:15 PM   in reply to Harm Millaard
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    oh i see then it seems that

     

    then would putting raid 0 with 4 drives and backing up with the 3tb be ideal compared to using

    2 of raid 0 1tb drives and backing them up?

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 2:17 PM   in reply to notex235
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    No, in this case: You should not mix different models of drives in the same RAID 0 array. You have only three of the WD Blacks (based on your original post), and drives of completely different capacities and completely different platter densities do not work well together in any single RAID volume.

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 2:21 PM   in reply to RjL190365
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    no i meant that the blacks would be in a raid 0 and backup up the content not via the same raid volume to the 3tb.

     

    essentially media would be on the 3tb and not on the blacks therefore maybe using raid 1 with the 3tb to back up and raid 0 with 4 caviar blacks might be better?

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 3:04 PM   in reply to notex235
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    I would recommend:

     

    M4 256GB SSD: Win7 and programs

     

    1st 2xWD Black RAID 0 pair: projects, media

     

    2nd 2xWD Black RAID 0 pair: Adobe scratch, cache, Win7 swap, render outputs

     

    1st Seagate 3TB: internal "backup" for boot drive "drive image" + backup of all data, projects, media, etc. on the 1st RAID 0 array; you don't need to backup anything ont the 2nd RAID 0.

     

    2nd Seagate 3GB for external, preferably off-site back archive (clone of what's on internal 3TB); I use Beyond Compare for conventiently "cloning" data (not the same as doing image cloning

     

    Regards,

     

    Jim

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 3:07 PM   in reply to JEShort01
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    sounds good

    thankss!

     
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  • Jim Simon
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    Jun 25, 2012 4:57 PM   in reply to RjL190365
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    And WDTLER does not work at all on the newer firmware of the WD Blacks

     

    Good to know.  Thanks.

     
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