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Seek clarification on what "hyphenation exceptions" mean

Jun 22, 2012 4:48 PM

Tags: #hyphenation_exception

IDCS6 (PC) upon opening a file that was converted from ID2 I see this screen splash:

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In Preferences | Dictionary, I have recently told Indd to use a custom dictionary that I have set up and I have dragged this to the top of the list. The only other dictionary that is available is the standard one that comes with Indesign, which to me is unforunately named "User Dictionary". 

 

Some ?s:

1) In the above image when it indicates "Use the settings in the user dictionary?" is Indesign referring to the dictionary that comes with the product, OR is it referring to whatever dictionary I have set in Preferences? I would hope it is the latter.

 

2) Can you give a few examples of what "hyphenation exceptions" would be? I imagine that if I have selected a particular word at end of a line that Indd has hyphenated and then in the Character palette assigned "No Break" then this is an exception.

 

3) What does Indd do if I choose "Yes"; and what does it do if I choose "No"?
Hopefully If I choose "No" Indd will retain any manual overrides that exist in the file e.g. "No Break", but will continue to use the hyphenation rules/preferences that are in what ever dictionary has been selected there.

 

4) In testing the above, I do not see that Indesign gives you anyway to easily see what it might have changed about hyphenation if you choose the "Yes" option. Is there a way to see what it has changed?

 
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  • Rob Day
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    Jun 23, 2012 7:31 AM   in reply to Edward_01

    2) Can you give a few examples of what "hyphenation exceptions" would be? I imagine that if I have selected a particular word at end of a line that Indd has hyphenated and then in the Character palette assigned "No Break" then this is an exception.

    If you don't like the way ID hyphenates a word you can add the word to a  dictionary. So in the example below I've added a custom dictionary in prefs then added the word hyphenation to my dictionary via Edit>Spelling>User Dictionary. By clicking the Hyphenate button I can override the default hyphenation for the word:

     

     

    By default ID will break hyphenation at hy-

    Screen shot 2012-06-23 at 9.16.44 AM.png

     

    But if I remove the first hyphen and add the word  to my dictionary, hyphenation will no longer break at hy- but will still break at hyphen-:

     

    Screen shot 2012-06-23 at 9.17.21 AM.png

     

    The Character>No Break feature prevents a word from breaking at all and doesn't care what your dictionary or prefs are:

     

    Screen shot 2012-06-23 at 9.17.42 AM.png

     

    On replacing dictionaries:

     

    http://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/kb/add_cs_dictionaries.html

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 1:21 PM   in reply to Edward_01

    I'm not a user of custom dictionaries, but my gut feeling is the warning is about words that are not in the standard dictionary, and I would say yes here, but I think you could test this pretty easily.

     

    Make a choice and openthe file, then do a search using Find/Change for one of your custom words and see how it's hyphenated. If not as you expect, close teh file without saving, reopen and make the other choice.

     

    It might possibly be faster to search visually. You can also try Preferences > Composition and check the H&J Violations box.

     
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  • Rob Day
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    Jun 24, 2012 3:39 PM   in reply to Edward_01

    It's complicated.

     

    It looks to me like the Preferences Dictionaries are cumulative. So, if your language is set to US English and you've saved out an additional US English dictionary the exception lists saved in both dictionaries will be used when Compose Using User Dictionary is selected

     

     

    Screen shot 2012-06-24 at 6.04.01 PM.png

    You edit the dictionaries via Edit>Spelling>User Dictionary by selecting a Target, so here I can target the default US English dictionary, my custom US Dictionary, or  document specific exceptions (note my custom dictionary won't show if another Language is chosen).

     

    If I add an exception to the document (Untitled-7) it won't be used because I've chosen Compose Using User Dictionary in Prefs.

     

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    If I add conflicting exceptions to the document dictionary and to one of the user dictionaries,   go back to Prefs and change Compose Using to User Dictionary and Document, I'll get a warning forcing me to choose one because all 3 exception lists are now being used:

     

    Screen shot 2012-06-24 at 6.25.38 PM.png

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    Apr 12, 2013 3:35 AM   in reply to Rob Day

    can u do this hyphenation(for all dictionary words) in scripting i need this it would be of great help

     
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