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Matrox MXO2 Mini and CS6 Windows?

Jun 19, 2012 9:51 AM

  Latest reply: Alan Craven, Jun 26, 2012 12:10 AM
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    Jun 23, 2012 10:47 PM   in reply to Sebasvideo

    I'm Glad Sebastian that you listened as Matrox and CS6 Rocks now, also keep in mind that After Effects Now is dinamically Linked without the need of Premium suite or Master Collection In case you don't have the master collections or the premium suite.

     

    In my Experience with adobe this CS6 is the Bomb I never seen better performance till Now Specially premiere now supports the WarpStabilizer so no more shaky footage

     

    Best Regards

     

    Julio César

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 12:13 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    Harm is right that the MXO2 degrades the benchmark performance by 300% or so in the PPBM5.x disk test, which is not seen with the Intensity Pro card. But in the PPBM5 vs. PPBM 5.5 disk test themselves (nominally the same test), there is also a significant decrease in the disk test results when run on CS5.5 vs. CS5. The authors of the test (if I remember correctly) ascribe this to a difference in cache structure/design in Premiere Pro (I have no clue here!) which was changed by Adobe in going from CS5 to CS 5.5. So there is some significant acceleration for the disk test going on.

     

    When the MXO2 software is installed, the MPEG2-DVD or H.264 test results don't change one bit, but the disk test numbers drop significantly, as if the caching is now totally gone. This is still true for the PPBM5.5 test run on Adobe Premiere CS6, by the way. I just don't know how seriously one should take the results of the disk test part in  PPBM5 or PPBM5.5. In real life, I don't see writing of a DV timeline to  hard disk slow down by 300%. "More investigation needed".

     

    One undisputable issue with the MXO2 in CS6 is that the Matrox effects are no longer real-time, while analogous Adobe effects are realtime. Bummer.

     

    I have both the Intensity Pro and the MXO2 on my system (they don't fight). I don't see much difference in the video, but the audio indeed is more troublesome with the Intensity Pro. And maybe my eyesight has gone too much, but I do need that output of the edited footage to a separate monitor too during the editing process. This  CTRL + tilde ~ just doesn't do it for me either.

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    Burk

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 12:52 AM   in reply to Burk Wagner

    I dont have the need for either device and have full 27" HD (native scaling) display running full time  reflecting playback from Bin Preview, Source and Program (Timeline) monitors. ie "output of the edit footage"

     

    I use CTRL-Tilde on any of the other panels for additional workspace when it suits me but not for any playback monitoring.

     

    FWIW. Zero lag of images or audio.

     
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    Jun 24, 2012 12:55 AM   in reply to Burk Wagner

    I may be a cynic, but I do just wonder if PPBM is not weighted to show Matrox systems in a poor light.  The frequently expressed animosity of one of the authors towards all things Matrox lends credence to this theory, in my view.

     

    If the disk test was shorter, and the other tests (which are not affected by the presence of Matrox, it seems) were longer, a different picture would emerge.  This weighting is widely used to achieve the statistical result that is required.  the UK government cook the figures for the inflation rate in just this way.  This is nothing new, viz. Mark Twain's "three kinds of lie...".

     

    The last set of Matrox drivers for CS5.5 eliminated many of the earlier problems, and stable drivers were released for CS6 within one month of the CS6 release - this is counter to the allegations about Matrox drivers which are still aired in this forum.

     

    I certainly regret the loss of the real-time Matrox colour grading effects, but this is down to changes in Premiere, for which I cannot really blame Matrox.

     

    Unfortunately the new Warp stabiliser is beset by too many problems to be usable.  It works only with a limited range of footage - essentially a static background with a an object moving in front of it.  A moving background, e.g. the sea, or wind-blown grass/trees produces some very strange effects - non-existent zoom in, jello on steroids, in particular.  The project file rapidly becomes bloated if the Warp is applied to many clips, leading to very slow saving and opening of projects.  Clips with the Warp applied are extremely slow to cut.  You are forced to use digital intermediates to prevent these problems.  This is a pity, because when it works the warp stabiliser gives superior results to my long-time favourite, Mercalli.

     
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    Jun 25, 2012 5:49 AM   in reply to Sebasvideo

    I don't think the tests are biased against Matrox, just that a system with a Matrox card treats DV differently to a system without a Matrox card.  To get a fast performance with Matrox you need to make Matrox Dv, not standard DV; the test makes standard DV in a standard Premiere timeline which does not work so well as using the right settings.

     

    I still use the Matrox effects but mine still work in realtime despite being marked as red.  Hopefully Matrox can improve this in future versions.

     
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    Jun 25, 2012 9:36 AM   in reply to David_V_Clarke

    I am sure that the author of the test is as well aware of that as you are!  That does not prevent allusions to "door-stops" and "cripple", though. 

     

    We are all also well aware that there is just a little more to editing than raw export speed.

     
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    Jun 25, 2012 5:40 PM   in reply to Sebasvideo

    Thanks Sebastian for getting back with the update on the MX 02 mini. I am currently considering that and should be able to get one by the end of the month.

     
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    Jun 25, 2012 5:43 PM   in reply to Sebasvideo

    I noticed that I used the warp stabilizer in one of my small project in a few clips and the project file is around 340mb. Since I started using this software I haven't seen such large prproj. Is it the warp stabilizer causing such large projects.

     
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    Jun 26, 2012 12:10 AM   in reply to Sebasvideo

    It is definitely the Warp stabiliser that generates huge project files with their associated problems.  When I got CS6, I deliberately created a project to test out the Warp and rapidly built up a project file of over 500 MB.  I then tried replacing the warped clips with digital intermediates by exporting each in turn.  The project file shrank back to a normal size as I did so.

     

    It also takes several seconds delay when you seek to cut a clip with the warp affect applied.

     

    Mercalli 2 is definitely available and working as normal with CS6 - you just need the latest service update.  It has one new behaviour - when you apply it to a clip, instead of the dialogue box opening up, you get the overlay telling you that the clip needs re-analysing that you used to get when you trimmed a clip after analysing it.  It is far quicker than warp stabiliser to analyse and stabilise, and on my fast system the clip plays without rendering.

     
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