Are there any tools to help with stop frame animation in the Creative Cloud (Master Collection) software? Any references in the online materials I found on the Adobe sight referred to Priemere Elements, and I was not able to directly/easily find the same features in the "Pro" products.
The specific features I am after are "onion skinning" and conversion of numbered photos to a video clip.
I am only a casual user, so it is very likely I've missed something. Any help would be appreciated.
I know there are third party plug-ins that can give you onion skinning type options for After Effects or Premiere Pro but I don't think there is native functionality included. I did see info related to this functionality for Photoshop and Flash Pro help but I'm not sure if they would be what you needed.
You can easily import an entire folder of images to individual frames (commonly called an image sequence) into Premiere Pro. Just set the still image duration to be the number of frames wanted (1 or 2) in the preferences prior to importing them and you can then use the automate to sequence command within the app to convert them to video.
Depending on the kind of animation you are creating Premiere Elements might be a easier option for this kind of workflow with what is included natively in the application. If you have a camera connected with a live feed it has options to grab a frame and native stop motion functionality with onion skinning I believe. You might post the question again on the Premiere Elements and Premiere Pro forums for comfirmation. You could also download trials of Premiere Pro or Premiere Elements to try them out if you are considering options.
Hope that helps,
Thank you for taking the time to answer.
Premiere Elements is probably the best [current] Adobe tool for the job, based on the searching I've been doing. I have Premiere Pro (and the rest of the "Master Collection".
One has to ask themselves, when you purchase the "Ultimate" [Master Collection] set of "Pro Tools" why would you need to deal with the following:
This scenario appears to be nothing new to Adobe, and one has to ask the question "If I have to buy something anyway, why should I stay with Adobe". Obviously, I am frustrated. This too shall pass.
I went "all in" with Adobe Ultimate Collection a few years ago, based on the assumption that I would not need to purchase additional "creative software". For what I needed to do (and need to do now) there are far less expensive alternatives. As I've been trying to find solutions for this problem, and have seen others facing similar situations for other reasons and with other Adobe products, it has only increased my frustrations.
You're welcome John.
I agree and empathize with much of what you said, being somewhat of a video app user myself I've experienced changes I didn't like as well. I think this happens because the software, just like everything else is always evolving and changing to stay current with the industry. I know our developers have to make to tough decisions that sometimes result features that weren't used as much getting removed but still had a small segment of users that relied on or really liked. I think as a company, Adobe tries to make products that are very versatile, a professional NLE like Premiere Pro can do a lot, but even with all that it can do, there will always be some specific features that didn't make it in or weren't added because they were too specialized. Its impossible to make something that has everything for everyone. To assume you would never need to buy other or additional creative software to me seems relative. It would depend on kind of creative projects you do, and might not necessarily be the case. I've done 3D animation work in Autodesk Maya for example, Adobe doesn't make a product to do this type of work. I generally treat/enhance/use my output from there in After Effects. I've also composed music on my computer and there are tools in applications like Cubase, Pro Tools, and Ableton Live that are more specialized for music composition than what is available in Audition. I did a Google search for "Stop Motion Software" and found numerous products that were created specifically for this purpose. I strongly doubt these products would give you the feature set for general video editing compared to a program like Premiere Pro (titles, transitions, effects, etc.) The only thing I could say that might help prevent future frustration would be to learn the capabilities of the products best you can (ideally before purchase) to ensure they will suit the purposes of your creative endevours. The Master Collection is a very powerful ansenal of applications but it still has limitations and can't do everything.
In relation to your comment about licensing, as far as I know you can still legally use a former product versions on your system if you upgraded to a newer version. You couldn't upgrade and sell the former version but I don't think upgrading invalidates your ownership or right to use an older product you bought.
I'm sorry it didn't have everything you hoped. Hopefully you'll still be able to capitialize on what it does it have, because there are a lot of amazing things one can do with these programs.
We're both probably wasting our time at this point but...
First from the standpoint of possible paths forward, I beleive I have the following option for Adobe Software:
If I've missed something there, please let me know.
Setting that aside, back to the bigger picture, and this is probably more of an editorial comment and falls into the category of "venting", and I really don't expect a response, and really can't think of a response that won't torque me off more than I already am. I'm a small company (as in "me"), working on captive technical documentation that is stricly on a contract basis (no royalties, no opportunites to sell (or even share, due to NDAs). Any dollar I have to spend is a dollar less in wages, profit, or a dollar I can't spend on other tools.
OK, let's not play semantics about "never need to buy other creative software". We both know I'm talking about buying a suite of software labeled as "Master Collection", and then being told that in order to do with the "upgrade" what I was formerly able to do with the Suite I had purchased, I now need to buy another Adobe product. I could MAYBE understand that a feature was no longer availabgle in an Adobe product at all, but to have a feature pulled from the Master Collection, but still (or now) available in an "essentials" product seems inappropriate.
While I can understand development choices, this doesn't cover why, after purchasing the Master Collection, I would need to purchase another Adobe app. (Premiere Elements) to use a feature that was there before an upgrade. Doesn't "Master Collection" imply "all of our features"?
Also, I resent the implication that I didn't do some research before shelling out $2500 bucks.
You also failed to address the back and forth for various applications. One of the reasons to buy a "suite" is that there is a certain amount of stabiltiy implied.
While more subtle than other posts, your net answer is still the same "We're Adobe, we make our own decisions, and if you don't like them, tough luck. That fact that your upgrade removed features you used or counted on being there is of no matter to our grand scheme. While your renewal fees may seem a significant invenstment from your end, if we loose a customer here or there, we frankly don't care. Besides "stop motion" being gone, the lack of instrumentation for adjusting and monitoring live capture that was present in OnLocation is not a "trivial" feature, it is a significant "core requirement" for captureing high qaulity video. When (if) I need some of the features I counted on in OnLocation again, and they are gone, and not replaced I'm REALLY going to be pissed. Adobe appears to have gone down the path of "you don't really want to use our stuff for live capture" and "maybe we'll add some back in once we get done bouncing back and forth between OnLocation and Prelude. This may make sense for large production companies. I'm sure there are better ways to capture raw footage. I'm a small, one man shop. Most of what I do does not involve video. When it does, I like to be in an evnironment I'm comfortable with, or when it changes, the changes "gell" accross the entire suite. Over time Adobe has ranged from poor to very good on this front.
Your problems seem to be less developers choosing features, and more lack of a stable high level strategy.
Conflicting information on upgrade licensing: FAQ, No, you can't use both. License agreement (at least for Premeire Pro) says OK, but only on the same Computers.
From the Adobe Licensing FAQ:
No. Purchasing an upgrade to your product extends your existing license to cover the new version of Adobe software. It does not provide you with two separate licenses for the old version and the new version. For example, if you upgrade from Adobe Acrobat 6 to Acrobat 7, you cannot sell Acrobat 6 to someone else.
And from the Adobe Premiere Pro License agreement:
If the Software is an Update to a prior version of Adobe software (the “Prior Version”), then Customer’s use of this Update is conditional upon its retention of the Prior Version. Therefore, if Customer validly transfers this Update pursuant to Section 4.6, the Customer must transfer the Prior Version along with it. If Customer wishes to use this Update in addition to the Prior Version, then Customer may only do so on the same Computer on which it has installed and is using the Prior Version. Any obligations that Adobe may have to support Prior Versions during the License Term may end upon the availability of this Update. No other use of the Update is permitted. Additional Updates may be licensed to Customer by Adobe with additional or different terms.
Based on your response, its looks like I angered you more. Sorry, that wasn't my intent.
My best recommendation would be to test out the Stop Motion functionality in Premiere Elements in the trial version to see if it suits your needs. If you were not happy with it I would investigate non-Adobe Stop Motion dedicated software.
To get started in the Premiere Elements Editor you go to File > Get Media and would select a capture option that matches your camera. You would need to have your camera connected via Firewire (camcorder/DSLR) or USB for a Webcam - after this you should get a live feed from the camera in order to use the Grab frame option. This would probably be the best setup if you have a contained area where you will be capturing your video (claymation, hand drawn frames, paper etc.)
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I had to read over the info about usage of prior versions in relation to updates a couple times to understand it. I didn't see anything there that specifically prohibits using the older version, only that the older version must be used on the same computer as the update.
I hope you find what you are looking for,
There are two issues here, and you're helping with one, how to get my Stop Motion Animation working. What I actually do is animate "real life" assembly of electronic and small mechanical assemblies. In many cases, this can be better done with solids modeling software, but for electronic assemblies, there are a lot of variations in the actual physical components, and video works better. I use stop frame to keep my fat fingers out of the way, and allow the small components to be seen.
Even with mechanical assemblies, where a solid model can be made "photorealistic", sometimes stop motion is easier than working out the "organic paths" parts need to take in order to be assembled.
The frustrating part (I'm not sure if "anger" is the right emotion or not) is losing capabilities with an "upgrade". My frustration there is not with you, but with Adobe as a company. Let me get back on track with the animations (I've also take the opportunity of Creative Cloud to move to the Mac) and I'll fight with Sales on that...
At least you've had the patience to listen and let me bi??? a little :-) I've got parts coming in from my client this week. I'll let you know how things work out.
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