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Preview file rendering halfs the resolution

Jul 9, 2012 3:26 PM

Hi,

 

I have a problem with Premiere Pro preview files: their horizontal resolution is only half of the set resolution. This is seen in the Program window both when playing back and stopped (playback resolution and paused resolution are both Full). If the clip hasn't been rendered for preview, the resolution is full. Just when rendering the preview, the horizontal resolution gets half. I'm using Apple ProRes as te preview codec (I do not want to use MPEG for its bad quality). Why is this happening? I need to have the full resolution for playback with ProRes codec, but how can I get the full resolution? Please, help!

 

My Sequence Settings are (for instance):

 

Settings

Editing Mode: Custom

Timebase: 25.00 frames/second

 

Video

Frame Size: 1920 x 1080 16:9

Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square Pixels (1.0)

Fields: No Fields (Progressive Scan)

Display Format: 25fps Timecode

 

Audio

Sample Rate 48000 Hz

Display Format: Audio Samples

 

Video Previews

Preview File Format: QuickTime (Desktop) / (GammaCorrection: Automatic)

Codec: Apple ProRes 422

Width: 1920

Height: 1080

Maximum Bit Depth (not checked)  Maximum Render Quality (not checked)

 
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  • Currently Being Moderated
    Jul 9, 2012 8:37 PM   in reply to lastala

    What is your source footage?

     
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    Jul 9, 2012 8:51 PM   in reply to lastala

    I'm curious how you've determined that the resolution is halved?

     
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    Jul 9, 2012 10:06 PM   in reply to lastala

    Maybe I'm still missing it.

     

    Are you saying the previews are stretched out, or squished in some way?

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 6:27 AM   in reply to lastala

    Are your previews set to full?

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 12:12 PM   in reply to lastala

    the pixel aspect ratio is changed (1:1 => 2:1).

     

    Here's the thing.  If the PAR were actually changed, and it's unlikely it was, then the image would appear distorted.

     

    It's likely something else is going on here.

     

    You listed the sequence settings, but what are the source media specs?

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 6:40 PM   in reply to lastala
    I don't care if the pixel aspect ratio or something else is changed, that is not the point.

     

    It kind of is.  It's much easier to resolve an issue if you know what exactly is happening.  And in this case, it's not likely the PAR that's changing.  You can verify this by going into a folder and opening up one of the actual preview files and checking it with software that can read the data, like MediaInfo or Gspot or even VLC.

     

    The goal here is to try and determine exactly what is happening, so that steps to stop it from happening can be taken.

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:33 PM   in reply to lastala

    OK.  So there's nothing wrong with the actual file itself.

     

    Next, do you see the issue only when the preview is played inside of PP, or are you also seeing it when you export?

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:47 PM   in reply to lastala

    looks like an anti aliasing problem to me ??

     

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    Video Previews

    Preview File Format: QuickTime (Desktop) / (GammaCorrection: Automatic)

    Codec: Apple ProRes 422

    Width: 1920

    Height: 1080

    Maximum Bit Depth (not checked)  Maximum Render Quality (not checked)

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    what happens if you check both the max bit depth and max render quality ??

     

    found this info which might apply in some way to your problem...maybe you could try the animation codec instead ?? then export as you like.. you'd just be using the animation for the previews...

     

    http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/1007725

     

    see info re: the 4.2.2 biz with color and aliasing

     
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    Jul 12, 2012 9:20 AM   in reply to lastala

    If After Effects is not showing any issue with either file, then there likely is no issue at all with the actual files, only with how PP displays them.  Possibly related to the graphics driver.

     

    As the monitors inside of PP are for viewing content only, and should never be used for judging quality, this issue can be safely ignored.

     
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    Jul 12, 2012 10:58 AM   in reply to lastala

    preview files on a HD monitor.

     

    You're saying this issue crops up in external monitoring as well?  You have something like an AJA, Blackmagic or Matrox hooked up?

     
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    Jul 12, 2012 11:57 AM   in reply to lastala

    That is strange.

     

    As a test, change the preview file codec to something other than ProRes.

     

    Also, how is the Cinema Display hooked up?

     
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    Jul 12, 2012 10:06 PM   in reply to lastala

    How is your Cinema Display connected?

     

    I'm guessing it's just a display issue.

     
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    Jul 12, 2012 10:27 PM   in reply to lastala
    The problem does not occur for instance with...

     

    Well, whatever the cause, it looks like you at least have a solution.

     
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    Jul 13, 2012 9:45 AM   in reply to lastala

    Why should I be forced to use something else just because PP has a flaw.

     

    For the very simple reason that what you want to do isn't working.  So...you change to something that does work.

     

    I mean, if you're only vehicle requires you to go under the hood in order to make it work, then you'd better get your hands dirty or you ain't going anywhere.

     

    You're the first to come here with this problem.  For the majority, ProRes seems to be working just fine with CS6.  At this point, we still don't have a definitive reason why it isn't working for you.  Until we do, you have a way to get the job done, which ultimately is the goal here, right?

     
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    Jul 13, 2012 4:47 PM   in reply to lastala

    lastala wrote:

     

    Cinema Display via DVI, my laptop has DVI output.

     

     

    What you have is an external monitor connected, not "external monitoring". It's a computer monitor, and will have the same issues with the way Premiere displays images as your laptop screen.

     

    If you really want to see what's going on with your footage, you should connect with something like this: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/ultrastudiosdi/

     

    Computer monitors aren't to be trusted. My colleague gets incredible amounts of tearing on footage when working from his laptop, but when output to a proper external monitor we can see the images are actually fine.

     
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    Jul 13, 2012 5:33 PM   in reply to SimonHy

    Agreed I learned a long time ago if it's being run from a computers GPU you can't trust it.

     
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    Jul 14, 2012 7:02 AM   in reply to lastala

    It looks to me like an "aliasing" problem.  I am suggesting you search ( google, speak to other users using the same workflow you are, etc. ) about " aliasing " problems with your display of rendered pro res 422 files.  If you focus on 'aliasing' issue, instead of calling it half resolution and so on, it probably will address your problem faster because people with that problem will know what you mean.

     

    I posted this earlier and gives a hint what I am referring to.

    http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/1007725

     

    I am wondering if in the render of the source ( pro res 422 render ) you are losing that color information indicated by the " 2 ".  As you dont experience problem using animation and pro res 444, that is my guess.. that you are losing the color info...hence the problem of aliasing.

    What blows my mind though , is that you don't see the aliasing when you go to AE with the same rendered file.  That is just downright weird.

     

    I don't know if you want to actually solve the problem ( find out why this is happening really )... or if you are just fixated on blaming the software for something you want to work differently.  I think solving the problem may involve doing some more steps on your part.  For example, have you taken the rendered file ( or ftp to someone etc ) to another computer like yours... to see if they also see the same thing ?

    If they don't see the same thing, if it is OK on their computer, then maybe it's your graphic card or graphic card 'settings' causing the problem.

     

    Have you spoken to anyone at an apple store about this ? They may have heard of this problem from other users... and if you have a store nearby, you can take the rendered file there and see if it looks OK on their computer.

     

    I do wish you luck finding out whats going on, and am personally interested in what you find out ( which is why I keep looking at this thread ). I know lots of people who use pro res and also use it on motion picture 'sets' while shooting... at the DIT station or at video playback, to look at basic playbacks ( usually with some basic color correction etc , like rec709 or whatever )...So what you want to do is actually being done, but I just moved to MN from nyc and dont work in movie biz anymore and dont want to get involved with hooking you up via ftp to some local 600 people.

     

    First step I think is for you to keep an open mind and start dealing with the aliasing issue and try to see if others see the same thing on similar machine as yours.

     

    Or else think of some other way to solve the problem... cause nobody else I know has ever seen this or I would have heard of it I think.

    Also, this is a users forum, not adobe technical support... have you called them ?  So please be patient with users here trying to help you, as we are just people who try to help when we can and don't work for adobe.

     

    Thanks and good luck, and please let us know what you find out cause this problem is very weird.

     

     
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    Jul 14, 2012 7:14 AM   in reply to able123

    caveat:

     

    I imagine you are rendering pro res 422 to see smoother effect or transitions, etc, as otherwise I dont know why you would even render something to itself ... but anyway, no sense yappin about doing things differently so you just get something to 'work' well... as you have the drive space problem for animation and 444 and so on...and who knows how that would export eventually for you.

     

    sure is a weird problem. If I think about it...say you take red raw and go to pro res and export... OK, so you lose some color info etc.. it looks flat and you fix it up etc... now you have the pro res...

    now you take THAT and render ( essentially taking something and doing it twice ) and lose MORE color info..which is sorta starting to get into a process I know nothing about...obviously... or I would have told you.

     

    sure is weird...

     
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    Jul 14, 2012 7:32 AM   in reply to able123

    just googled some more...found this , and they are calling it 'pixelated edges'... which would be another word to use in google search for answers...

     

    http://blog.bertonevisuals.com/page/3

     

    excerpt:

     

    Some people are emailing me asking if it is really worthy to shoot with the Alexa and the Codex. My answer is: it depends! Some people might be happy to shoot Apple Pro Res in Rec 709 color space and just edit the clips right away in a non linear editing system. However, if somebody wants to do color correction and subsequent grading, the Arri Raw workflow is strongly recommended. Indeed, is not just a matter of the higher resolution 3K vs HD, but more importantly, it’s the ability to pull perfect keys during DI that otherwise (with the Pro Res) would have pixellated edges. The Arri Raw allows you to change the EI (exposure index) and the T stops that otherwise would give you much less latitude to play with, even if the footage was shot in Pro Res Log C.

     

    OK...off to food shop...good luck

     
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