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Nikon Active D Lighting

Jul 10, 2012 1:28 AM

Is there anyway that I can tell from metadata in LR4, whether a photo was obtained with ADL on or not?

 
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    Jul 10, 2012 3:08 AM   in reply to jonlieberman

    Nope.

    You want to turn it off, specially if you are shooting RAW.

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 2:28 PM   in reply to jonlieberman

    You need ExifMeta to see ADL setting in library panel and use for lib filter and smart collections.

     

    If you just want to view for a particular photo on demand, Jeffrey Friedl's metadata viewer is excellent.

     

    I think there is value in using ADL even though it's ignored in Lightroom: the amount that exposure is downthrottled is not fixed - it's based on light metering. - right?

     

    Rob

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 7:49 PM   in reply to Rob Cole

    Here's a link with a lot of discussion (and other links) about ADL and Lightroom.

     

    http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00ZTih

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 8:47 PM   in reply to stormy.boy

    The OP in the aformentioned discussion seems to be of the impression that ADL is doing something mysterious - it's not. Based on metering, it computes an amount of underexposure. The camera and/or Nikon software then does something akin to:

     

    +exposure -highlights +shadows

     

    I shoot raw with Active D-Lighting on most of the time (and post-process with Lightroom), because I hate over-blown highlights which is what ADL is trying to prevent.

     

    If you're plenty good at controlling exposure without it, then leave it off. But having it on won't adversely affect quality, other than what it does to affect exposure (ISO biasing) I mean (which has the same impact on quality whether being processed with camera/NX2 or Lightroom).

     

    If you shoot with it on, it just means the image will be less exposed (initially, in Lightroom) than what you saw on your camera or mfr s/w, and may need some "Lightroom D-Lighting" to compensate.

     

    R

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:39 PM   in reply to jonlieberman

    jonlieberman wrote:

     

    It seems that as far as ADL and LR4 are concerned the ADL just results in a slighly underexposed shot and this could be accomplished variation of aperature, speed, or iso.   Is this correct?

     

    Correct. - camera uses "ISO-biasing" to downthrottle exposure - that's the *only* effect on raw data. The rest is camera/Nikon software doing things that Lightroom can also do, only better .

     

    Kinda like a modern microwave oven - there's settings for defrost and popcorn, but the only difference is the on/off duty cycle. ADL does not "compress dynamic range of raw data" - that's a misunderstanding.

     

    Summary of ADL:

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    * Nikon Hardware: underexposure

    * Nikon Software: exposure boost plus "intelligent" contrast reduction.

     

    Cheers,

    Rob

     
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    Jul 11, 2012 3:22 AM   in reply to jonlieberman

    Yep. I think of ADL as a hint to the camera to protect highlights at the expense of shadows. This is a good thing when it's what you want, and a bad thing when it's not.

     

    If you have it on when you have highlights in the scene that should be blown out (for optimal exposure), then you may end up with an image that is too underexposed (and when you bring up the exposure in post-processing, you get excessive noise in the shadows), in which case it would be best to turn it off. However, when you have a scene where what you want is to preserve as much of the highlights as possible, ADL can be a godsend (even when shooting raw and processing in Lightroom), since normal exposure would sacrifice some highlights to keep shadows from being too dark and clip blacks... Of course you could simply set a negative exposure bias to accomplish the same thing, but ADL is scene-adaptive whereas exposure bias is not (unless you are on the ball enough to keep changing it as the scene changes...)

     

    PS - To those inclined to split hairs and pick nits: yes - I am aware that exposure bias does not accomplish exactly the same thing as ADL, since the manner of exposure reduction will be different, but I'm trying to get a point across and that nuance is not critical to the point.

     

    i.e. the value of ADL is exactly the same when shooting raw, whether post-processing in NX2, or Lr. The difference is that you have to do the software compensation thang using +exposure -highlights +shadows sliders in Lightroom, instead of selecting the ADL "extent" using a drop-down in NX2.

     

    Likewise, the potentially detrimental effects of ADL (too much exposure reduction) apply the same when post-processing in NX2, as Lr.

     

    Even clearer now?, or more confused...??

     

    Rob

     
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    Jul 11, 2012 6:09 AM   in reply to Rob Cole

    my 0.02: I suggested to turn it off because I personally dont like it to be underexposed by the camera which is against the principles of "Exposure to the right". More to read: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/expose-right.shtml

     
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    Jul 11, 2012 3:30 PM   in reply to F. McLion

    F. McLion wrote:

     

    I suggested to turn it off because I personally dont like it to be underexposed by the camera which is against the principles of "Exposure to the right". More to read: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/expose-right.shtml

     

    Fair enough - seems like a reasonable strategy.

     

    Ideally, it would be best to have ADL on when it's beneficial, and off when it's not. Whether you want to fuss with it, and which way you prefer to err when you forget to change it (or judge incorrectly), is a personal thang. I just hope people realize that it's potential for detriment vs. value has only to do with the scene you are shooting, and what you would consider optimal exposure, and *nothing* to do with the software you use to post-process the raws.

     

    'nuff said?

     

    R

     
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