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Exporting without embedding profile

Jul 10, 2012 4:14 AM

I want to export some files for printing by a service bureau using a custom profile which is 1.87 MB and do no not want to embed the profile. The images will then be sent directly to the printer without any adjustments and the profile is not needed. This is an option in Photoshop, but I have not found a way to do this in Lightroom. Any help would be appreciated.

 
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    Jul 10, 2012 5:19 AM   in reply to Bill_Janes

    No way via Lr proper.

     

    Easy enough via plugin, but the only ones I know that support it are those wired to mogrify, where you can include additional command-line parameters, e.g.

     

    * Lr/Mogrify

    * PreviewExporter

     

    command line parameter is '+profile' (seems like it should be -profile, but it's not).

     

    http://www.imagemagick.org/www/command-line-options.html#profile

     

    R

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 6:11 AM   in reply to Bill_Janes

    If the service bureau provided that profile why not let them do the conversion?

     

    I would feel uncomfortable sending an image without a profile.

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 7:43 AM   in reply to martin-s

    Untagged images are BAD! If you had a few hundred images (times 1.87mb) on a slow transfer, OK maybe.

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 1:36 PM   in reply to Bill_Janes

    I'm assuming the OP and service bureau would have communicated expectations, and the latter would know to apply the correct profile before printing. Otherwise this request is ill-informed and ill-advised... (it would be interpreted as untagged sRGB when it's not).

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 1:49 PM   in reply to Rob Cole

    Depends on the lab or service. In CMYK workflows, folks by and large just send the numbers within the data to the device as is. The only use for an ICC profile would be if someone wants to open the image and view it correctly (or edit it). In such workflows, it is common for such shops to receive maybe hundreds of output ready CMYK files. Even at 1mb per image, it adds up. Even so, unless bandwidth is an issue, I still recommend an embedded profile. In the very old days (1990’s) some old RIPs would barf on an embedded profile so people stripped them out. I seriously doubt those RIPs are still running and if so, I’d be worried to work with such a shop.

     

    Lab’s that can accept output ready RGB should work the same way. But there are far more labs that expect sRGB and if the OP sent data in something other than sRGB, the front end would make a mess of the output. You’d want an embedded profile assuming the front end can even recognize it and pop some alert.

     
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    Jul 10, 2012 6:20 PM   in reply to Bill_Janes

    Bill_Janes wrote:

     

    Andrew Rodney wrote:

     

    Depends on the lab or service. In CMYK workflows, folks by and large just send the numbers within the data to the device as is. The only use for an ICC profile would be if someone wants to open the image and view it correctly (or edit it). In such workflows, it is common for such shops to receive maybe hundreds of output ready CMYK files. Even at 1mb per image, it adds up. Even so, unless bandwidth is an issue, I still recommend an embedded profile. In the very old days (1990’s) some old RIPs would barf on an embedded profile so people stripped them out. I seriously doubt those RIPs are still running and if so, I’d be worried to work with such a shop.

     

    Lab’s that can accept output ready RGB should work the same way. But there are far more labs that expect sRGB and if the OP sent data in something other than sRGB, the front end would make a mess of the output. You’d want an embedded profile assuming the front end can even recognize it and pop some alert.

     

    Perhaps I should have mentioned that I am not dealing with a full service lab, but rather my local Costco which has custom profiles on DryCreek.com. The local personnel do not know a lot about color management, but there is an option on uploading to print the files with no adjustments and they are sent directly to a Fuji Frontier printer. I do most of my more important printing with my Epson 3880, but send small prints to Costco and have have good results without embedded profiles saved as such from Photoshop.

     

    I have sent some prints to CostCo using their custom profiles and left the profile in place.  The CostCo I used simply ignored the embedded profile.

     
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    Jul 11, 2012 2:21 AM   in reply to Bill_Janes

    Bill_Janes wrote:

     

    ImageMagic also sounds like a good utility to have in one's digital toolbox.

     

    ImageMagick is to image data as exiftool is to metadata. i.e. you can do just about anything with it, if you can just figure out how... .

     

    Cheers,

    Rob

     
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