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1. gator soup,

Jul 10, 2012 8:17 AM in reply to ddr3500

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your monitor profile is either 1) defective, 2) inaccurate, or 3) you are applying the wrong Source Profile

try using PDI_Target_WhackedRGB.jpg reference image (use the embedded profile when you open it, do not Convert or alter it)

posting a screenshot of your COMPLETE document window AND Document profile (like this)

will also be useful for you to post if still having problems...

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2. ddr3500,

Jul 10, 2012 11:42 AM in reply to gator soup

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I don't understand.

Does that want me to print and compare colors on the printed image and the monitor? anyway here's the screenshoot of the document open

what else can I do?

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3. Noel Carboni,

Jul 10, 2012 12:34 PM in reply to ddr3500

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It seems your monitor color profile is pre-compensating for a monitor with a tendency to display thiings very blue.

What color profile do you have associated with your monitor in the Windows Color Management settings? Did you associate it with the monitor on purpose?

-Noel

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4. gator soup,

Jul 10, 2012 1:28 PM in reply to ddr3500

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the Document profile WhackedRGB.icc (bottom lower left) tells me Photoshop is using the embedded profile (and Converting it to your Monitor RGB)

because it is displaying with heavy yellow bias — that tells me your monitor profile is most likely bad (see my previous link "1) defective, 2) inaccurate")

want a second opinion?

open a RGB file in Photoshop

File> Select All

Image> Adjustments> Desaturate

my guess is your newly desaturated image isn't neutral gray at all -- is it the same nasty yellow bias?

the fix is to run a calibration routine to build a new monitor profile...

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5. ddr3500,

Jul 11, 2012 7:09 AM in reply to Noel Carboni

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"color managment off" setting on RGB working space is using the "MONITOR RGB - NEC MultiSync LCD 1550V @ 6500K" which is the one that displays things fine.

I think photoshop loaded it by it self.

To me the color profile that displays things very yellowish is "sRGB IEC61966-2.1" which is the one assigned to most of my psds although some have Untagged RGB those display fine, I dont know why the color profile from the wackedrgb makes it seem yellowish as well maybe my monitor is special?

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6. ddr3500,

Jul 11, 2012 7:44 AM in reply to gator soup

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How can it be converting it when I select to use the embedded profile instead? by the way the image appeared gray not yellowish.

if I convert Wacked RGB's color profile to sRGB IEC61966-2.1, MONITOR RGB - NEC MultiSync LCD 1550V @ 6500K, or use the embbeded color the result is the same yellowish look.

Only color profile that works is Untagged RGB which I get by copying and pasting it on a new document, which setting named "Color Managment Off" working space "RGB" has a direct effect on how it looks.

You said my monitor's profile is bad are you sure? how can I run calibration routine?

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7. gator soup,

Jul 11, 2012 8:16 AM in reply to ddr3500

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Source Profile> Monitor Profile

photoshop always reads (or applies) a source profile and Converts it to to the monitor profile for a theoretical 'true color' display (you cannot circumvent this behavior)

your theories are pretty mixed up (sorry) you need to understand the basics how photoshop uses profiles

based on your screenshot (my previous comments) it is pretty obvious your monitor profile is bad (that is what you need to first rule out)

try reading the Adobe Help (or google) for how to calibrate my monitor for photoshop (add Windows or OSX to your searches)

BTW, if desaturated RGB in photoshop isn't 100% neutral with no color tints, that is a dead giveaway your monitor profile is bad, but you didn't answer my earlier question

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8. Noel Carboni,

Jul 11, 2012 9:40 AM in reply to ddr3500

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Hate to say it, but gator soup is right - you really need to throw out all you think you know about color-managment and go with an open mind into learning how it's supposed to work. There's really only one way to get this stuff right, and that's to understand how it works. There are no quick fixes.

For now, until you determine whether you want to use a calibrator/profiler, you can temporarily work around your problem by associating the standard sRGB color profile with your monitor:

1. Click Start and type Color Management into the search box. Click Color Management when it comes up.

2. In the Devices tab, ensure your monitor is the one selected in the Device: field.

3. Check the box that says [ ] Use my settings for this device.

4. If the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 profile is shown, click it to highlight it. If it's not shown, click the Add button and add it

5. Set the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 profile as the as the Default Profile for your monitor.

Now you should see the yellow color problems when working on images in Photoshop go away.

-Noel

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9. gator soup,

Jul 11, 2012 2:30 PM in reply to ddr3500

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in my opinion

setting sRGB IEC61966-2.1 profile as the Default monitor profile is fine for instantly rulling out a bad monitor profile on sRGB-compliant monitors (as likely will do in this scenario)

BUT setting sRGB IEC61966-2.1 as the Default monitor profile should never be used by anyone who wants to use Photoshop as a color-correct reference monitor because it literally breaks Photoshop's (all color-managed apps) ability to 'accurately' display color (Source Profile-to-Monitor Profile)

in other words, for optimal color 'accuracy'

one's Default monitor profile should be a recently-calibrated (hardware-profiled) custom monitor profile — NOT a manufacturer's canned sRGB or AdobeRGB profile, or even the canned OEM factory profile for the monitor

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10. Noel Carboni,

Jul 11, 2012 2:34 PM in reply to gator soup

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Precisely why I advised it to be a workaround until determining how to proceed with calibration/profiling.

Don't forget we're talking to a user here who has no idea how to do this stuff yet.

-Noel

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11. ddr3500,

Jul 11, 2012 5:08 PM in reply to Noel Carboni

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How do I set the color profile on the monitor in photoshop 7 what you're telling me is for cs5 on windows 7 and I'm using windows xp.

I still think my monitor's is using my previous monitor's profile not the profile meant for it, but in case my monitor's profile is damaged I will attempt calibrate.

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12. Noel Carboni,

Jul 11, 2012 5:43 PM in reply to ddr3500

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What I told you has nothing to do with Photoshop, but is entirely managed by the operating system (and yes, I described the process for Windows 7).

I'm thinking the color-management settings must be somewhere in the Display properties, but it's been so long since I used XP regularly that I can't really advise you expertly. But rest assured the settings you want are in the operating system, not Photoshop. Windows is responsible for managing the profile - monitor association.

-Noel

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13. Bill Hunt,

Jul 11, 2012 6:46 PM in reply to ddr3500

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I agree with Noel.

In XP's Control Panel, do you have Adobe Gamma loading at bootup? That would be another place to look.

Good luck, and it will be your new monitor's profile, that needs to be corrected, at some point.

Hunt

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14. ddr3500,

Jul 12, 2012 7:25 AM in reply to Bill Hunt

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I'm stuck @ the adobe gamma wizard in choosing a red green and blue phosphors which one should I pick? my monitor is an NEC MultiSync LCD 1550v

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15. Noel Carboni,

Jul 12, 2012 9:29 AM in reply to ddr3500

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I'd advise removing the Adobe Gamma Loader entirely, then finding the place in your Display properties to associate the sRGB profile with your monitor. As I recall, a shortcut Adobe Gamma Loader gets put in your Startup folder, but it's been a long, long time...

-Noel

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16. ddr3500,

Jul 12, 2012 10:08 AM in reply to Noel Carboni

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I think I fix it but the wacked rgb doesn't look blue purple but rather straight normal.

I followed gamma loader wizard and created a new monitor profile, I loaded it and it all seems fine.

I think the gamma looks a bit darker for the midtones but that's fine.

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17. Noel Carboni,

Jul 12, 2012 10:29 AM in reply to ddr3500

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You've made progress - congratulations!

That image SHOULD look normal in Photoshop - that's proof that your color-management is working.

Now choose View - Proof Setup - Monitor RGB to see how the image looks without color-management if you want more proof. To turn it on again, uncheck View - Proof.

-Noel

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