Adobe Community: Chapter Markers do not stick when encoding to H.264

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1. CAOLSEN,

Jul 10, 2012 8:26 AM in reply to CAOLSEN

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Let me add, that if you setup the Encore chapter markers in PP then use the "Send to Encore" feature, the chapter markers stick and are there.

But you will lose the chapter markers if you go through Media Encoder first, then into ENCORE.

(CS5.5 always kept the chapter markers even when encoding the timeline first with Media Encoder)

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2. Jerry Klaimon,

Jul 10, 2012 9:30 AM in reply to CAOLSEN

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I have been doing the same thing and don't notice this problem. For a test I just tried it both ways -- DL the sequence to an Encore Blu-ray project, and use AME to transcode the same sequence to H.264 Blu-ray (HD 1080i 29.97). In both cases the chapters show up the same in Encore.

I'm on win7

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3. SAFEHARBOR11,

Jul 10, 2012 9:39 AM in reply to Jerry Klaimon

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In Encore, are you using "Import as Timeline" and grabbing the video and audio together? If you just "Import as Asset" then you do not get markers.

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4. CAOLSEN,

Jul 10, 2012 9:45 AM in reply to SAFEHARBOR11

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Yes, I am bringing in the Video file as "Import as TImeline". The Audio portion I am brining in as an "asset".

I use the same procedure when using a DVD Mpeg2 file and the markers show in Encore.

They are not showing up when importing the BluRay H.264 files. Wierd??

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5. SAFEHARBOR11,

Jul 10, 2012 9:57 AM in reply to CAOLSEN

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Behavior duplicated on my end - DVD works, Blu-ray does not, even though the .xmpses file is there in both cases.

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6. Jerry Klaimon,

Jul 10, 2012 10:52 AM in reply to SAFEHARBOR11

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I tried it a little differently

Brought in the video as an asset, and then linked it to a button -- chapters still show up.

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7. Stan Jones,

Jul 10, 2012 11:06 AM in reply to Jerry Klaimon

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I get Jeff's results. Chapters do not come in with H.264-Bluray (tried 23.976 and 29.97); no problem with MPEG2-Bluray.

No difference exporting directly or through AME.

Interesting; m2v sends them through the xmp file? m4v only uses xmpses?

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8. Ann Bens,

Jul 10, 2012 11:16 AM in reply to Stan Jones

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No problem importing m4v asset with markers.

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9. Jim Simon,

Jul 10, 2012 12:07 PM in reply to Stan Jones

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m2v sends them through the xmp file? m4v only uses xmpses?

No, the .xmpses file has always contained the chapter info. The .xmp file is for something else.

I do get chapters with H.264 both when importing as an asset or as a timeline.

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10. Stan Jones,

Jul 10, 2012 12:51 PM in reply to Ann Bens

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I'm on a laptop without the 6.0.1 update. Jeff, you have the update? Something is odd!

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11. SAFEHARBOR11,

Jul 10, 2012 1:06 PM in reply to Stan Jones

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Workstation with 6.0.1 for both Premiere and Encore

Jeff

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12. thanmartin,

Jul 12, 2012 3:10 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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Jim

same here as Caolsen, encode as H264 Bluray, import as asset or timeline in encore >> no chapter markers

export as Mpg2 DVD, import in Encore >> the chapter markers are there.

from PP H264 footage to export to Encore, here my chapter markers show up.

But I have 3 timelines sometimes four timelines that I want to export to the same Encore project, but each time it creates a new project.

I had in the last 2 weeks four Bluray projects and each time I had to set my chapter markers anew in Encore, that is of course not convenient and wasn't a problem in CS5

Maybe if you use to encode as H264 and not as H264 Bluray your markers show up?

Martin

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13. Richard M Knight,

Jul 12, 2012 3:39 AM in reply to thanmartin

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I have just created a H264 Bluray file from a EX sequence with 11 chapter markers. When imported into Encore using 'import as timeline' I now have 12 chapters all in the wrong place. I have tried twice to create the file (7 hours each time) with the same results.

Richard Knight

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14. Stan Jones,

Jul 12, 2012 6:12 AM in reply to thanmartin

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But I have 3 timelines sometimes four timelines that I want to export to the same Encore project, but each time it creates a new project.

Open the Encore project you want to add a sequence to. File -> Adobe Dynamic Link and select the same or a different PR project and the next sequence you want.

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15. Stan Jones,

Jul 12, 2012 6:15 AM in reply to Richard M Knight

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When imported into Encore using 'import as timeline' I now have 12 chapters all in the wrong place.

There have been other reports on the Encore forum of odd results in importing chapters: random locations or too many or too few. I don't think the cause has been identified.

Richard, you are always getting some kind of chapters?

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16. CAOLSEN,

Jul 12, 2012 8:00 AM in reply to Stan Jones

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I'm glad to hear that some of you have"chapter markers" getting to Encore, even if they are in the wrong place...big hassle!

It could be the lengh of the projects are effecting this issue.

My projects are 3 hours long, I do not get any chapter markers from PP at all.

I ended up reencoding my projects using Blue Ray Mpeg2, (had to use a lower bitrate) and the chapters all came from PP and they were in the right spots.

The problem just seems to be with h.264 files.

One other FYI...long projects, 2-3 hours, you can forget about a 2-pass encode using Media Encoder when selecting h.264. The Media Encoder stalls about 3/4 of the way through and will not start up again.
1-pass encoding works fine.

I hope Adobe fixes these issues, they were not problems for me in CS5.5.

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17. Jim Simon,

Jul 12, 2012 8:23 AM in reply to thanmartin

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encode as H264 Bluray, import as asset or timeline in encore >> no chapter markers

You guys are entering something in the Name field of the marker, yes?

Maybe if you use to encode as H264 and not as H264 Bluray your markers show up?

Nope, used the Blu-ray setting and it works fine.

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18. CAOLSEN,

Jul 12, 2012 8:44 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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No. I never have. I am simply seperating music titles and their is no need to 'name' them.

My clients just want the ability to skip to the next song.

Again, everything works fine with the other formats, for me, it's just when encoding with Media Encoder to H.264 (Blue ray), then into Encore.

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19. Stan Jones,

Jul 12, 2012 8:50 AM in reply to CAOLSEN

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No. I never have. I am simply seperating music titles and their is no need to 'name' them.
My clients just want the ability to skip to the next song.

Well, name them and you and your clients will be happy!

Jim, that is it. CS5? 5.5? we thought ended the need to do that, and the mpeg2 export makes it look like it shouldn't be necessary. But the h264bd export won't bring the markers in unless the encore marker is named.

Help does not mention this, even though it does make the caution for flash cues.

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20. Richard M Knight,

Jul 12, 2012 8:56 AM in reply to Stan Jones

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I always name the markers and have not had any trouble with Bluray or DVD in CS5.5. The wrong chapter points I am getting in CS 6.01 are always in the same wrong place.

RMK

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21. Jim Simon,

Jul 12, 2012 9:00 AM in reply to Richard M Knight

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That's probably a separate issue, Richard.

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22. CAOLSEN,

Jul 12, 2012 9:22 AM in reply to Stan Jones

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Thanks. I will name them on the next project and hope for the best.

After long AVCHD encoding times, it is depressing to not see them in Encore.

Kind of wierd that the other formats that I have used do not need the chapter points named.

I don't remember this being an issue in CS5.5 either...maybe it was as I am a fan of Mpeg.

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23. thanmartin,

Jul 12, 2012 8:53 PM in reply to Jim Simon

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Jim

yesterday did a test, all encoded MP4 if you have chaptermarkers reimport with the chaptermarkers!

That means encode HD as H264 >> your chaptermarkers show up if you reimport in PP and Encore

Encode HD as H264 Bluray >> none of your chapter markers show up if you reimport in PP and Encore

But just like Caolsen and probably many others I never named my chapter markers and I did not need it in CS5

So I will try it out.

But anybody knows why my markers show not up in the marker window. when I put them into a sequence.

Before update 6.01 it showed.

Mark a clip in source monitor.

drag into sequence >> you see the clipmarkers and they do snap

oben marker windows of sequence and you do not have any markers to go to.

So what is the use of using source monitor to mark my clips, if I cannot jump or navigate to them in the timeline.

So the only function seems to be: snap to

However:

create sequence, drag some clips, add timeline markers

now add this sequence to a new sequence >> common workflow << or nested sequence

You see the markers of the first sequence as clipmarkers >> but you cannot snap to

Anybody has an idea and maybe this topic is discussed somewhere else

thanks Martin

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