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Project Manager screws up well organized project

Jul 15, 2012 2:31 PM

Take a completed PP project nicely organized with folders for content (sequences, clips,  audio, ae, graphics,etc). Use Project Manager to trim size so it can be archived for future use at a WAY smaller size then the original (which has lots of unused media in it).Reopen a month later for client changes.The folder that PM created is a bloody mess, because in just  takes all clips and dumps them in 1 folder during the trimming process. Very sloppy and unprofessional.

1189 Views   15 Replies   Latest reply: lasvideo, Jul 15, 2012 7:47 PM
 
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  • Ann Bens
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    1. Ann Bens,
    Jul 15, 2012 2:39 PM   in reply to lasvideo
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    That is how its always been.

    Premiere trims the clips that are on the hard drive.

    The folder structure within Premiere does not hold a link to the source files.

    http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

     
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  • lasvideo
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    2. lasvideo,
    Jul 15, 2012 2:44 PM   in reply to Ann Bens
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    Ann just because that s the way its always been, doesnt mean it should remain that way    Trimming has changed...lots of things have changed. In a professional environment where files are shared among editors and projects get archived and reddited this just doenst work. I think its time for a change

     
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  • Jim Simon
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    3. Jim Simon,
    Jul 15, 2012 2:46 PM   in reply to lasvideo
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    I still think the feature should go away.  PP is an NLE, not a file manager.  Best if that NLE could not do anything to the files but read them.

     

    Proper organization before hand and the use of a proper file manager never fails.

     
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  • lasvideo
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    4. lasvideo,
    Jul 15, 2012 3:07 PM   in reply to Jim Simon
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    Well Jim, maybe that would work for your workflow. But for anyone working in a facility environment with shared projects and the need to trim for archival reasons and constant reediting of projects, that just not an option. If you ever used Avid you can appreciate how important and well done this process can be. And editors like me need this capability. It extends into media management issues when you are finishing a commercial the is cut by others. A can of worms Adobe will have to address if it wants to attract and keep medium and high end editorial facilities. 

     
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  • shooternz
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    5. shooternz,
    Jul 15, 2012 3:17 PM   in reply to lasvideo
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    Tried it  a few times in earlier versions and that was a salutary lesson.

     

    I have deliberately avoided using it since , despite my need for it , because of the disorganised results which I could not trust.

     

    I woud like to see it improved.

     
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  • Ann Bens
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    6. Ann Bens,
    Jul 15, 2012 3:47 PM   in reply to shooternz
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    I woud like to see it improved.

    Make a wish(form).

     
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  • shooternz
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    7. shooternz,
    Jul 15, 2012 4:03 PM   in reply to Ann Bens
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    Too low on my priority list of wishes for PPRO. 

     

    Actually ...there is only one item on my list. 

     

    Its the one I call my "lost cause" 

     
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  • ComputerNovice25
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    8. ComputerNovice25,
    Jul 15, 2012 4:32 PM   in reply to lasvideo
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    At the station where I work we all have to keep the same folder structures for individual shows. That way when we open up each others projects everything linked right where you need it. All you ever have to do is drag the raw footage to your workstation and stick it in your raw footage folder and the project is ready to go. So for example if a program A then you put all your lower-thirds and bumps in one folder and then your open close and promos in another etc... The biggest problem we have though is making sure everyone maintains consistent naming etc.

     

    Then you have your random elements folders as well as logos etc. However it would be nice if Premiere made some better way of  doing this because it does take a bit of time for all the editors to communicate with each other about naming of things etc... But for us it's been the only solution since Premiere currently doesn't offer any better way.

     
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  • lasvideo
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    9. lasvideo,
    Jul 15, 2012 5:11 PM   in reply to Ann Bens
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    Ann-Make a wish(form).

     

    I already did, 10 months ago. You think I should keep making more ? This could be a full time job!  

     
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  • lasvideo
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    10. lasvideo,
    Jul 15, 2012 5:14 PM   in reply to ComputerNovice25
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    Computernovice. I think you missed the point I was trying to make. When I use Project Mananger to Trim a project before archiving any organized folder structure is lost.Everything is dumped in ONE folder.  That is why Im complaining 

     
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    11. ComputerNovice25,
    Jul 15, 2012 5:28 PM   in reply to lasvideo
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    I didn't miss the point and in fact I agree with you, it would be nice if it worked better. I was just simply telling you what we do where I work so we can share projects and work together/re-edit things without needing to use  project mananger.  So trust me I understand project manager stinks. I also put in a wish form a little over a year ago.

     
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  • shooternz
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    12. shooternz,
    Jul 15, 2012 5:32 PM   in reply to lasvideo
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    advocate.

     

    I read his post as agreeing and acknowleging the issue... as well as providing his work around in the absence of something better from the Project Manager in Premiere Pro.

     
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  • lasvideo
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    13. lasvideo,
    Jul 15, 2012 6:17 PM   in reply to ComputerNovice25
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    Computernovie, it sounds to me like you are talking about maintaining the file structure when sharing projects. That is different then my issue with Trimming projects for archival purposes then opening them at a later date, only to have the file structure trashed. Please correct me if Im not understanding your intent.

     

    I appreciate that you are unhappy with the PM. For claritys sake, It just sounds like we are addressing 2 different issues, thats all 

     
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  • ComputerNovice25
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    14. ComputerNovice25,
    Jul 15, 2012 7:40 PM   in reply to lasvideo
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    I realize what you mean. I was simply saying that maintaining folder structures and file names on your PC is the workaround I use. That way I only need the project/raw footage archived instead of my whole project. Since I keep all my elements in the same folders/structures no matter what. Then if one of my co-workers needs to edit something I worked on I simply give them my project file and since they have all the elements file names and folder structures the same as me.

     

    They simply re-link the raw footage by getting it off one of our network servers. Then they are ready to begin editing.

     

    Which allows you to also archive or re-edit old projects with ease compared to project manager being sloppy with all your stuff.

    However I totally agree it would be better if the project manager allowed you to do this to begin with. I realize project mananger slops everything into one giant mess.

    That is why I started doing it the way I mentioned. It's not a perfect solution but it beats using project manager in its current state.

     

     

    So I apologize if I came accross in the wrong way.

     
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  • lasvideo
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    15. lasvideo,
    Jul 15, 2012 7:47 PM   in reply to ComputerNovice25
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    Not at all. I was just trying to figure out how what you were saying had any relevance to the issue I was complaining about. No worriess  

     
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