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1:19:42 Exceeds CD Limit

Jul 16, 2012 11:21 AM

Hello...

I edited a single .wav file down to 1:19:57 (which should fit on a cd, just fine).  I markered it into 5 minute tracks, imported it into a cd project, removed all the pre-gap pauses, went to burn the cd, and it said it exceeded the cd limits.

I figured that I needed an extra second or two, so I continued cutting.

I'm currently at 1:19:42 and it's still giving the error.

It won't let me burn, because of it.

My thought is that, since the cd project defaults to 2 second pre-gaps, it thinks my 16 track cd is actually 1:20:14 even though it's actually 1:19:44 (2 second pre-gap before track 1).

Does the cd project not automatically refresh the length as changes are made?

Is there no function to manually refresh the length?

If my theory is correct, then I would have to sacrifice 30 extra seconds (16 tracks with 2 second pre-gaps, minus the pre-gap before track 1).

JJ

 

Edit...

Maybe my theory isn't correct.  I've edited down to 1:19:25 (1:19:57 with 2 second pre-gaps) and it still won't accept it.

JJ

 

Edit 2...

Whoa...

I just noticed the little time part of the limit says 78 minutes!!!

Why in the world would it have a limit of 78 minutes, when a cd will hold 79 minutes and 58 seconds?

That's killing 1/40th (wow that sounds small) of the cd.

JJ

 
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  • SteveG(AudioMasters)
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    Jul 16, 2012 2:34 PM   in reply to Fa310tx

    Fa310tx wrote:

     

    Whoa...

    I just noticed the little time part of the limit says 78 minutes!!!

    Why in the world would it have a limit of 78 minutes, when a cd will hold 79 minutes and 58 seconds?

    That's killing 1/40th (wow that sounds small) of the cd.

     

    It's called a specification....

     

    Several reasons for it, but this limit is actually doing you a favour. Everything starts from the centre of a CD and spreads outwards - including the dye layer when they splodge it on. And as a result of this, the last (outside) part of the disk isn't particularly reliable, and often screws up on indifferently adjusted players, giving read errors. There are a few bits of CD writing software that effectively ignore the spec. limit and let you record a bit further, but I couldn't in all honesty recommend this as a practice - you end up with a reputation for producing indifferent CDs.

     

    Depending on what's on your CD, you could always speed it up by a percent or so - you could keep the pitch the same, and it would be really hard to spot the time compression when it's that small a percentage. Might all fit then.

     
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  • SteveG(AudioMasters)
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    Jul 17, 2012 2:23 AM   in reply to Fa310tx

    Fa310tx wrote:

     

    I never saw 78 minutes as a maximum in the red book specification.

    The last I knew it was 79 minutes and 57 seconds.

    Yeah, I looked at it the other week and remembered it wrong - it's actually 79.8 minutes (you can perhaps see why I remembered it wrong!)

     

    We produce 15000+ cds a week (albeit only a small subset falls within the 78-80 minute mark) and I haven't once heard of someone returning one because it got flakey near the end.

    Are they duplicated or replicated? It's generally the duplicated ones that fail. If you can get a glass master to accept the extra time it will probably be okay, because the reflectivity of the pressed CDs is much higher.

     
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    Jul 17, 2012 3:20 AM   in reply to SteveG(AudioMasters)

    Wouldn't 79.8 minutes (and I just looked it up and that's how it was specified) actually be 79 minutes 48 seconds?  That nine second difference compared to 79:57 might be critical here.

     
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    Jul 17, 2012 4:57 AM   in reply to Bob Howes

    I thought that I had read a thread somewhere else on the forums that said that, although Audition warns of overlength CDs, you can actually carry on and burn them.

     
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    Jul 17, 2012 8:19 AM   in reply to Fa310tx

    A couple of thoughts:

     

    First off, have you tried a different CD blank?  I believe I've read in here that, although they all claim to be 800MB/80 minutes there can be variations between what different brands can actually hold.  I've never pushed a CD to the limit so don't have personal experience of this but it might at least be worth a try.

     

    Second, if the different blank doesn't help, instead of editing and trimming more and more, how about using the Stretch and Pitch menu to alter the duration down by a few more seconds.  Over a file as long as yours you'd never hear the speed difference and, although a workround, it might be the easy way to get everything on the same CD.

     
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    Aug 13, 2012 5:35 AM   in reply to Fa310tx

    What the hell Adobe? I've just "upgraded" nine studios to CS6 after avoiding the CS5 dog! We produce several hundred new 80minute masters each week. The time-length is really critical. We cannot reduce by another two minutes and are being forced to use bloody awful Nero to burn our masters! Fix this idiotic spec immediately!

     
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  • SteveG(AudioMasters)
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    Aug 13, 2012 9:26 AM   in reply to Mark Learey

    Mark Learey wrote:

    Fix this idiotic spec immediately!

     

    How? That's Sony/Philips's idiotic spec, not Adobe's...

     

    Part of the issue here is that the CD-burning bit of Audition isn't the same as it was - I believe it came from a separate development unit. Yes they ought to get it to burn up to the 'legitimate' 79.8 minutes, but I don't think you'll be able to persuade them to go past it, somehow.

     
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    Aug 13, 2012 9:11 AM   in reply to Mark Learey

    Mark Learey wrote:

     

    We cannot reduce by another two minutes and are being forced to use bloody awful Nero to burn our masters!

    Why not try Imgburn. Free and no extraneous rubbish. Just burns CDs. Also works with cuelists from CueListTool.

     

    http://www.imgburn.com/

     

    I jettisoned Nero many moons ago,

     
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    Sep 26, 2012 4:16 PM   in reply to ryclark

    Hey Guys,

     

    Just a quick note to let you all know we have released our 5.0.2 patch for Audition which now allows you to "attempt" to burn audio CDs up to 79.8 minutes in length.

    Of course we do warn you when the layout is longer than 78 minutes because depending on the media, you may find the limit to be somewhere betwen 78 and 79.8 minutes.

     

    You can download and install the update by going to Help > Updates from within Audition, or by clicking the direct links below:

     

    Windows :http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=92&platform =Windows

    Mac: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=92&platform =Mac

     

    Enjoy!

    --Ron

     
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    Sep 26, 2012 7:34 PM   in reply to Fa310tx

    Yes.  The issue with the Dynamics Processing effect was resolved in the proper 5.0.1 update and is included in 5.0.2.

     
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    Sep 27, 2012 10:02 AM   in reply to Ron_Day

    Hi.

     

    I cannot install 5.0.1 or 5.0.2.

     

    "There was an error installing this update. Please quit and try again later. Error Code: U44M1U5"

     

    Help!

     
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    Sep 27, 2012 10:05 AM   in reply to Mark Learey

    Mark. Try posting in the Update 5.02 thread:

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1072467?tstart=0

     
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    Sep 27, 2012 10:12 AM   in reply to Mark Learey

    Hi Mark,

     

    I'm trying to find out more information about this error message.  Looks like it's coming from the Adobe Update Manager application as others upgrading different products have reported this message.  I'll update as soon as I learn anything.

     
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    Sep 27, 2012 10:59 AM   in reply to Mark Learey

    Mark,

     

    Are you running OS X or Windows XP/7?  I'm going to see if we can locate a log file generated by the Updater tool to better determine what's happening.  I found a description of the error, but it just indicates a Failure to launch the Updater Installer, so this is happening during an update of the Updater tool, and not during the install for Audition or other applications.

     

    Thanks!

     
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    Sep 27, 2012 11:03 AM   in reply to _durin_

    Hi. Am running OSX 10.7.5.

     
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    Sep 27, 2012 12:12 PM   in reply to Mark Learey

    Thanks.

     

    There are several files that may help.  You need to go to /Users/<username>/Library/Application Support/Adobe/AAMUpdater/1.0/ in Finder.  (The "Library" folder may be hidden in 10.7.  You should be able to open Finder, press SHIFT+COMMAND+G and type  ~/Library     to jump there.)

     

    The files are: aamu.log, aamui.log, aamul.log, aamun.log, and aamus.log

     

    If you could send those to me at audbugs@adobe.com, I'll forward them to the updater team and ask them to look into the issue.

     

    Durin

     
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