Hello...
I edited a single .wav file down to 1:19:57 (which should fit on a cd, just fine). I markered it into 5 minute tracks, imported it into a cd project, removed all the pre-gap pauses, went to burn the cd, and it said it exceeded the cd limits.
I figured that I needed an extra second or two, so I continued cutting.
I'm currently at 1:19:42 and it's still giving the error.
It won't let me burn, because of it.
My thought is that, since the cd project defaults to 2 second pre-gaps, it thinks my 16 track cd is actually 1:20:14 even though it's actually 1:19:44 (2 second pre-gap before track 1).
Does the cd project not automatically refresh the length as changes are made?
Is there no function to manually refresh the length?
If my theory is correct, then I would have to sacrifice 30 extra seconds (16 tracks with 2 second pre-gaps, minus the pre-gap before track 1).
JJ
Edit...
Maybe my theory isn't correct. I've edited down to 1:19:25 (1:19:57 with 2 second pre-gaps) and it still won't accept it.
JJ
Edit 2...
Whoa...
I just noticed the little time part of the limit says 78 minutes!!!
Why in the world would it have a limit of 78 minutes, when a cd will hold 79 minutes and 58 seconds?
That's killing 1/40th (wow that sounds small) of the cd.
JJ
Fa310tx wrote:
Whoa...
I just noticed the little time part of the limit says 78 minutes!!!
Why in the world would it have a limit of 78 minutes, when a cd will hold 79 minutes and 58 seconds?
That's killing 1/40th (wow that sounds small) of the cd.
It's called a specification....
Several reasons for it, but this limit is actually doing you a favour. Everything starts from the centre of a CD and spreads outwards - including the dye layer when they splodge it on. And as a result of this, the last (outside) part of the disk isn't particularly reliable, and often screws up on indifferently adjusted players, giving read errors. There are a few bits of CD writing software that effectively ignore the spec. limit and let you record a bit further, but I couldn't in all honesty recommend this as a practice - you end up with a reputation for producing indifferent CDs.
Depending on what's on your CD, you could always speed it up by a percent or so - you could keep the pitch the same, and it would be really hard to spot the time compression when it's that small a percentage. Might all fit then.
I never saw 78 minutes as a maximum in the red book specification.
The last I knew it was 79 minutes and 57 seconds.
We produce 15000+ cds a week (albeit only a small subset falls within the 78-80 minute mark) and I haven't once heard of someone returning one because it got flakey near the end.
Given that we've been producing them for years, it doesn't seem like our reputation is very bad.
I find it interesting that you say there are a "few bits of CD writing software" that will let you record the full cd.
Audition 1.5 - 3 are included in those "few", as are Nero, Windows Media Player, and iTunes.
The first thing that I tried to do was use the time stretch to get it to 1:19:55, but it was going to take an hour, on my computer.
I choose to just go through and rip out some lengthened silence bits, but after taking out 30+ seconds of it, I just burned with AA3.
JJ
PS...
It may sound argumentative, but that's not my intention.
I'm just not sure of better wording.
It's entirely possible that not buring the last 2 minutes is "better".
I question whether it's "better" enough to force people not to do it.
Fa310tx wrote:
I never saw 78 minutes as a maximum in the red book specification.
The last I knew it was 79 minutes and 57 seconds.
Yeah, I looked at it the other week and remembered it wrong - it's actually 79.8 minutes (you can perhaps see why I remembered it wrong!)
We produce 15000+ cds a week (albeit only a small subset falls within the 78-80 minute mark) and I haven't once heard of someone returning one because it got flakey near the end.
Are they duplicated or replicated? It's generally the duplicated ones that fail. If you can get a glass master to accept the extra time it will probably be okay, because the reflectivity of the pressed CDs is much higher.
We use cd production machines (Microtech Xpress XP).
We don't use Audition to do the burning, but I've been using our setup as an example of real-world work.
We have over 1000 cds that we produce and 59 of them fall between 78 and 80 minutes.
It would be cool if I could carry on and burn, but all I get is a big red X and an error.
If you find a link or steps, I'd be happy to try.
JJ
A couple of thoughts:
First off, have you tried a different CD blank? I believe I've read in here that, although they all claim to be 800MB/80 minutes there can be variations between what different brands can actually hold. I've never pushed a CD to the limit so don't have personal experience of this but it might at least be worth a try.
Second, if the different blank doesn't help, instead of editing and trimming more and more, how about using the Stretch and Pitch menu to alter the duration down by a few more seconds. Over a file as long as yours you'd never hear the speed difference and, although a workround, it might be the easy way to get everything on the same CD.
What the hell Adobe? I've just "upgraded" nine studios to CS6 after avoiding the CS5 dog! We produce several hundred new 80minute masters each week. The time-length is really critical. We cannot reduce by another two minutes and are being forced to use bloody awful Nero to burn our masters! Fix this idiotic spec immediately!
Mark Learey wrote:
Fix this idiotic spec immediately!
How? That's Sony/Philips's idiotic spec, not Adobe's...
Part of the issue here is that the CD-burning bit of Audition isn't the same as it was - I believe it came from a separate development unit. Yes they ought to get it to burn up to the 'legitimate' 79.8 minutes, but I don't think you'll be able to persuade them to go past it, somehow.
Hey Guys,
Just a quick note to let you all know we have released our 5.0.2 patch for Audition which now allows you to "attempt" to burn audio CDs up to 79.8 minutes in length.
Of course we do warn you when the layout is longer than 78 minutes because depending on the media, you may find the limit to be somewhere betwen 78 and 79.8 minutes.
You can download and install the update by going to Help > Updates from within Audition, or by clicking the direct links below:
Windows :http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=92&platform =Windows
Mac: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=92&platform =Mac
Enjoy!
--Ron
Mark,
Are you running OS X or Windows XP/7? I'm going to see if we can locate a log file generated by the Updater tool to better determine what's happening. I found a description of the error, but it just indicates a Failure to launch the Updater Installer, so this is happening during an update of the Updater tool, and not during the install for Audition or other applications.
Thanks!
Thanks.
There are several files that may help. You need to go to /Users/<username>/Library/Application Support/Adobe/AAMUpdater/1.0/ in Finder. (The "Library" folder may be hidden in 10.7. You should be able to open Finder, press SHIFT+COMMAND+G and type ~/Library to jump there.)
The files are: aamu.log, aamui.log, aamul.log, aamun.log, and aamus.log
If you could send those to me at audbugs@adobe.com, I'll forward them to the updater team and ask them to look into the issue.
Durin
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